Does Hillary think She Can Win Without Independents?

By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

The New York senator, who lost three primaries Tuesday night, now lags slightly behind her rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, in the delegate count. She is even further behind in "pledged'' delegates, those assigned by virtue of primaries and caucuses.

But Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson. ( son of idiot)

"I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates,'' Wolfson told reporters in a conference call.

"We don't make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,'' Wolfson said. "And we don't make distinctions when it comes to elected officials'' who vote as superdelegates at the convention.

"We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,'' he added.

Clinton advisers rejected the notion that the candidate -- and the party -- would be badly wounded in the general election if the nominee were essentially selected by a group of party insiders.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG

"This is a nomination system that exists of caucuses, primaries, superdelegates and also the issue of voters in Florida and Michigan,'' states whose delegates currently will not be seated at the convention because they broke party rules by moving up their primaries to January, said Mark Penn, senior strategist for the Clinton campaign. But "whoever the nominee is, the party will come together behind that nominee,'' he said. (Superdelagates are nothing but the old Democratic machine in a different form and we all know it)

But independents may not get behind that person. We may just go harvest the crops, work on our solar panel installations, clean our rain catchers, go to our jobs in town, and get ready for winter. You see Mr. Penn, teevee pundits seem to think of independents as disaffected Goopers. Since when have they known what they are talking about? They certainly don't this year. There has been a left leaning, voting independent movement in this country since 2003. Have you paid any attention at all to the unbelievable increase in voters, even in an off year like 2006? Can you possibly believe that the increase in voters is due to GOP enthusiasm or millions of extra evangelicals? It's their religious duty to vote or stay home anyway. We owe none of you a damn thing.

We are the independents of the 60's. We lost faith in the system 40 years ago, when Bobby was gunned down and our ballots meant nothing. Instead of Bobby and a Vietnam pull out, we got Nixon. Is Hillary going to be the Democrats Nixon in drag?

Independents will decide this election in November. Even if independents do decide that Hillary (super-delegate manipulation and all), is the lesser of the evils (who wouldn't be?), our enthusiasm for her presidency may be zero. If so, she will be a one termer and may well be the president that does what none of us thought she or anyone one else could do; dynamite the Dem-bulbs just as the Goopers are imploding.

Have you taken a look at the youth demographic lately?. They want nothing to do with either party. They are registering as independents in groves. They are our grandkids. They are smart, savvy, and know better than to look to D.C. for leadership. They are independent thinkers, They want to study abroad and don't believe the fairy tales we were taught about America the greatest., the oh, so special country, chosen by God. If they ever did, they don't after 7 years of BushCo and every congress since 2000, including this one.

When I talk to my granddaughter, I wonder if this nation is not through, over, finis....

With the battle for the Democratic nomination excruciatingly close, supporters of both campaigns are questioning the nominating process. The Clinton camp has suggested that the caucuses -- where Obama has bested Clinton in all but one state -- are inherently undemocratic, since only a small percentage of eligible voters are able to make it to a caucus site and commit the time to vote at a particular hour.

Where the hell were these people and all their care for caucus voters, when people couldn't cast their votes in Ohio, Florida and other places in 2004 and 2006 because of long lines in pouring down, frigid rain and the need to get to work? What about the voters who were disenfranchised because they had the same name a a felon? Amazing! Where were they when they should have been contesting that horrid debacle in 2000, leaving the United States of America with an illegitimate administration, which would go on to last for 8 years (if we're lucky) and cause the worst damage to this country in history; damage I shall not live long enough to see us free of.

Clinton -- who initially joined other Democrats in opposing Michigan and Florida's decisions to go ahead with early primaries -- now wants the votes of those primaries counted. The Obama camp thinks that idea is unfair, since candidates were not allowed to campaign in those states, and Clinton alone kept her name on the Michigan ballot, meaning Obama did not have a chance at getting even provisional delegates.

Superdelegates should "vote their conscience,'' despite how their states voted, Wolfson said. Penn noted that the Obama campaign, for example, has not asked Massachusetts Senators Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry to cast superdelegate votes for Clinton, although the Bay State voted overwhelmingly for her in the primary.

Clinton and Kerry should vote with their state if they have no other reason to vote otherwise, like criminal behavior on the part of the Clintons. Clinton is the choice of their state. Wolfson, you are, nevertheless, the ass that turned me off the Cinton campaign to begin with and Mark Penn is the other one.

The two candidates head into contests next week in Hawaii and Wisconsin; Obama is leading in the polls in both states. The Clinton campaign is pinning its hopes on the March 4 states of Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island, but Wolfson said yesterday the campaign is opening offices in every remaining primary and caucus state, including Puerto Rico.

Texas Fire wall For Clinton: Twilight zone.

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