Showing posts with label John Hagee. Show all posts
Showing posts with label John Hagee. Show all posts

Saturday, July 26, 2008

Holy Joe, Again. Someone Needs To Lock Him Up, For His Own Good


If God Has a problem with Iran, let God deal with it.


Lieberman at Hagee Conference: U.S. Should Attack Iran because God Hates Israel’s Enemies

Despite popular outcry from the American Jewish community, Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman pressed ahead with his third annual appearance at John Hagee's summit for Christians United For Israel (CUFI), an evangelical group with powerful fundraising capabilities and long-standing ties to DC insiders including President Bush. Over 42,000 petitioners called for Lieberman to renounce the controversial televangelist as Senator John McCain did this past May when it was discovered Hagee was selling DVDs which included a speech he made implying that the creation of Israel was the result of God's plan for Hitler to wipe out six million Jews. Although it is well-known the membership of CUFI adopts an apocalyptic theology calling for the annihilation of the Jewish race as a key part of the impending rapture, Lieberman's logic is unclear to many in the Jewish community who sincerely hope God will not exterminate them any time soon.


(That's not entirely accurate, if it is possible to be accurate about such nuttiness. The rapture happens before all of the roasting, toasting and poaching. That way the "raptured" can join Jesus in the good seats as the rest of us endure the tribulation, like fans at a football game, rooting for Satan to torture us all all do death, or is that Alberto Gonzales doing the torturing for Satan?




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Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Christian Zionist Gathering Mired in Controversy

As well it should be!

by Bill Berkowitz


The battle lines over Pastor John Hagee have been drawn, redrawn, and are no doubt being drawn again as this is being written. The San Antonio, Texas-based mega-preacher with the multi-million-dollar empire has always been controversial, but these days, the pastor is a lightning rod for critics.


And as the days pass leading up to Hagee’s annual Christians United for Israel (CUFI) conference in Washington next month, new revelations of his anti-Semitism have come to light.


Preachers like Hagee, and there are many, many who are like him, have hated Jewish people for as long as I can remember. These kinds of preachers (some non-denominational, some Baptist, some from smaller denominations) have never had a kind word to say about Jewish people or Roman Catholics. We can now add Muslims to the mix, of course. Basically, they hate anyone and everyone who are not part of their "faith tradition." I use quotes, because I can't find anything faithful about them and the only real tradition they have is one of hate and division. The things they say in public are quite different from the things they say in private and they always have been.


At last year’s CUFI conference, Senator Joseph Lieberman called Hagee “an Ish Elochim”, saying he is “a man of God, and, like Moses, he is the leader of a mighty multitude.”


Hagee has been a whack-job for as long as I can remember but, in all seriousness, what has happened to Lieberman? Did we all just not realize how far 'round the bend "holy Joe" is or has something happened to him....like an internal head injury or a psycho-emotional breakdown of some kind?


"Like Moses, he is the leader of a mighty multitude?" A mighty multitude of what, exactly? A multitude of whack-jobs just like himself, except that his flock is much more poor than he is, for reasons obvious to any one who watches one of his sermons on occasion.


When it was first revealed that Hagee had made a series of anti-Catholic remarks, critics, including Bill Donohue of the conservative Catholic League, went ballistic. Hagee apologised. When Hagee blamed gay people for causing Hurricane Katrina, many were offended. Hagee offered up a half-hearted apology and quickly moved on.


Bill Donohue is like many others, in the Christian tradition, who seem shocked to find themselves in bed with snakes over the abortion and gay rights issues. Donohue, and others like him, really thought all of that Catholic-hating was over a long time ago. It is over among members and clergy of other mainline Christian Churches, for the most part. (There are always exceptions to every rule.) Nevertheless, the old saying still holds true; if one does not want to receive a deadly bite, one should not lie down with snakes.


When a preacher says a hateful thing about you or to you about another, why would you accept his apology and go on as if it had never happened? Because of a political bond of any kind? The diatribes of Hagee and those of his ilk are not mistakes he made in a fit of pique or while having a stroke. The snake meant every word he said, he just did not want you to hear it, for political expediency's sake.


To American Jews, Catholics and other targets of hatred by the far-right, fundamentalist, end-timer, crusading crackpots, I would issue, as I have on many a website other than this one, a dire warning: No matter what is at stake, don't hang out with the crazies. If you do, you will find crazy and, often times, dreadful things happening to you and to people you love.

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However, when Hagee’s remarks about Hitler being sent by God to force the Jews to pack their bags for Israel became a You Tube sensation — and then garnered the attention of the mainstream media — longtime allies in the Jewish community began to question what Hagee was up to.


As I said then, Hagee finally hit on the wrong voting block...............


They sure as hell better be questioning everything about Hagee and all of those who are like him. It has amazed and shocked me that Israeli politicians like Bibi Netanyahu and other Likudniks have allowed themselves to become so aligned with the likes of Hagee, Robertson, Falwell, when he was still alive, and others of the Religiously Insane of America, Inc. Perhaps the politicians of Israel, like the Neocons over here, don't believe that the beliefs of these nut-jobs matter all that much, as long as they and their flocks will help elect those friendly to Israel. WRONG!!!


Their beliefs will get you and, perhaps, us blown to hell and back, because their god is apparently so impotent and their theology so twisted, that they believe they have to help him out a little with Armageddon thing. It doesn't matter to them, you see, if Israel gets nuked, because Jesus will then descend and fix everything. Of course, all but around 144,000 of you guys will be road- kill on the road to heaven for them. When the Hagees of the world speak about the Jews being God's chosen people, it is to the 144,000 Jews, who will accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior, that they are referring. Jews who remain Jewish are bound for hell-fire and damnation just after being cannon fodder for Armageddon, along with the Muslims, who are all damned to hell, according to crusading-crackpot theology.


To his credit, Arizona Senator John McCain, the Republican Party’s presumptive presidential nominee, quickly threw Hagee off the bus, despite having spent a year courting the pastor for his endorsement.



To his credit? TO HIS CREDIT? McCain doesn't get any credit for this. When a politician goes seeking a preacher's endorsement, he had damned well better know what that preacher has been preaching, especially when typical preachin' of this type usually contains pure hatred for one group or another.


However, the condemnation hasn’t been universal. A number of fellow Christian conservatives and Jewish leaders have rushed to defend the beleaguered pastor. While last year Hagee was treated like royalty at the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, he prudently chose not to attend this year’s meeting earlier this month. Nevertheless, when his name was brought up by CUFI executive director David Brog, “the crowd broke into a lengthy round of applause, ending in a standing ovation,” the Jewish Daily Forward reported.


Hagee is an "us v. them," hate-mongering blabber-mouth. There is no way I will ever understand or defend Christians who would defend him and his ilk. Jews who defend him are either using him or they are too dumb to live, as a friend of mine describes anyone who does not know his enemies or, worse yet, mistakes his enemies for his friends.

From Jul. 21-24, Hagee’s Christians United for Israel will be holding its third annual “summit” in Washington. Among the scheduled speakers are Gary Bauer, a CUFI board member and longtime religious right activist and president of American Values; former Republican senator Rick Santorum; Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Sallai Meridor; Brad Gordon, co-director of Policy and Government Affairs at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC); Daniel Pipes; and Senator Joseph Lieberman.


Leonard Fein, in a Jewish Daily Forward piece titled “Our Hagee Problem Has Yet to Be Addressed” asked: “How many of these [the scheduled speakers at the CUFI conference] will now, in light of the new information about Hagee’s beliefs, cancel out? Or will they twist and turn to rationalize their continuing support for this false witness?”


I have to admit it will be interesting to see who walks away and who doesn't.


Despite pleas not to attend the Washington meeting from a number of organizations, including the newly formed Jewish group, J Street — which has partnered with Democracy for America in an effort called “Say It Ain’t So, Joe” — Lieberman appears thus far steadfast in his willingness to stand with Hagee.


One does have to wonder if Lieberman has had a stroke or something.


Some of the other guests are also being asked to forgo attending the conference. At the same time, Hagee’s pals are urging their followers to go to Washington and support the embattled preacher.


In defending Hagee, Stephen Strang, president and chairman of Christian Life Missions and regional director for CUFI, wrote that “Hagee has done more than any other Christian in our generation to show love to the Jews and to stand strong with Israel. Yet he made one comment, taken out of context about Hitler, that some liberal blogger says makes him anti-Semitic.”



For anyone to say that Hitler was an instrument of God....how can that be taken out of context? Hagee "shows love to the Jews" and stands strong with Israel? Has anyone asked him why? I can assure Holy Joe that it isn't because he does, indeed, love Jewish people. He doesn't. Hagee and his ilk still see Jews as "Christ-killers." . He supports Israel for one reason and one reason only; so that all of the Jews of the earth can be shoved back into that small spit of sand at the other end of the Mediterranean and the Temple can be rebuilt.


One comment as Strang alleges? Bruce Wilson, the investigative journalist who first put together the video of Hagee’s Hitler sermon, has uncovered more anti-Jewish material tucked away in the Hagee archives.


In an e-mail interview, Wilson told IPS that all of the Hagee material that he has been “writing about and making videos (short documentary videos in some cases) of has come from material that Hagee has mass marketed himself, mostly from his sermons.”


It is always so with big egos. Sooner or later, they get hung with their own words, when there are enough good people around who hear those words and expose them to the rest of the world.


According to Wilson, at Hagee’s Cornerstone Church in San Antonio on three consecutive Sundays in March 2003, the pastor delivered “sermons heavily loaded with anti-Jewish memes, stereotypes, slurs and conspiracy theories, one of which was almost identical to what was perhaps Adolph Hitler’s favorite conspiracy theory, which alleged that an international Jewish banking cabal, led by the Jewish Rothschild banking family, controls the fates of entire nations, even the progression of world events and history, through the manipulation of global money markets.”


This does not surprise me in the least. In the deep-south/bible-belt, where I grew up, it was often difficult to tell the difference between the preachers and the Klan or the NeoNazis.


The three sermons — delivered on the eve of, and just after, the invasion of Iraq — were packaged and sold by Hagee’s ministry as “Iraq: The Final War.”


There is no final war; not as long a mankind exists, untransformed, on the earth.


WWI was supposed to be the last world-war, as people actually believed that it would be the last war man would be willing to endure; the weapons of war having become so much more terrible with TNT. As a matter of fact, that was the hope of the maker of dynamite.

Then, as WWII was coming to a close, two atomic bombs were used by the U.S. on Japan, primarily to scare the wits out of Stalin. Many believed that those two Mushroom clouds signaled the end of world-wide war. Nope, those hideous clouds simply marked the beginning of the "cold-war," with hot out-breaks periodically, and the never-ending feeding of the beast, known as the military-industrial-complex.


Wilson claims that Hagee’s sermons are part of a distinct and “deeply disturbing pattern.” He notes that Hagee’s Cornerstone Church members have sung “Blow the Trumpet in Zion” at CUFI’s “signature event”, the Night to Honour Israel, with scripture drawn from the Second Book of Joel, Chapter 2, verses 1-11.


“That scripture…concerns prophecy forecasting the invasion and ‘desolation’ of Israel expected by Hagee and his church flock, which is divided into 12 administrative units each named for a Tribe of Israel,” Wilson said.


Hagee and his crowd are NUTZ, but that does not mean that they aren't dangerous as hell. They are. Of all the types of insanity, religious insanity is the most dangerous.


Although the preaching of Hagee and other conservative Christian evangelicals has been going on for decades, “Few in the American Jewish community, or the Israeli Jewish community, grasp the magnitude of the anti-Jewish hatred that has been stoked from American pulpits and American televangelist broadcast networks,” Wilson recently wrote.


And Mr Wilson is absolutely right.


After WWII and the horrors of Hitler's concentration camps came to light, antisemitism became more and more frowned upon in the U.S., except among some religious groups, such as that of Hagee, and semi-religious groups like the Klan/ the Neo-nazis. When it comes to hatred, there isn't a dimes worth of difference between them.


“The propaganda has been slightly coded but in the end not very subtle. Rather than directly vilify Jews, Christian fundamentalist preachers and leaders have for decades vilified groups and terms that traditionally, for better or worse, have been associated with Jews.”


While some Jewish leaders reject out of hand the End Times theory that sees Israel as the final battleground before the return of Christ, others prefer to look away, sometimes even laughing off the loopier aspects of these apocalyptic visions on the one hand, while accepting millions of dollars of support for their favorite Israel charities and powerful political network the Christian Zionists have built.


In other words, we have fools using fools using fools for their own political gains and mythic level theology.


Bruce Wilson’s research, and the attendant publicity it generated, has likely forced Hagee to the sidelines for the bulk of the presidential campaign. When asked whether his new discoveries will lead to the severing of ties between Hagee and some of his most fervent Jewish supporters, Wilson told IPS that “were they to get anything close to the same level of media play as the ‘God sent Hitler’ video it might. Barring that, it would probably take something even more shocking to cause such a rift.”


Fools and more fools.......


Will Lieberman and Pipes continue backing Hagee regardless of what other anti-Jewish commentaries might be discovered? Will CUFI continue to escalate its push for the Bush Administration to deal militarily with Iran? These questions might be answered when CUFI members flock to Washington next month.


Perhaps the fools should be joined and confronted....


Bill Berkowitz is a longtime observer of the conservative movement. His column “Conservative Watch” documents the strategies, players, institutions, victories and defeats of the U.S. Right.

Copyright © 2008 IPS-Inter Press Service



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Saturday, May 24, 2008

Settle Down, Rabbi

McCain has already tossed Hagee.

What you should be concerned about is the alliance of the NeoCons, the TheoCons and Likudniks. Talk about and unholy trinity!

Those Israelis, or Jewish people living anywhere, for that matter, who align themselves with the war-mongers and the twisted, christian, crusading-crackpots clearly are asking for the worst to happen to them. Surely, Sir, you know that from your own holy scripture.


Prominent Rabbi Demands an Explanation from Hagee
By Frederick Clarkson Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:45:00 AM EST



Bruce Wilson's recent video post on how John Hagee has claimed that God sent Hitler and the holocaust as a way to force the Jews to emigrate to Israel -- is rapidly gaining public notice. Yesterday, Sam Stein, a political reporter at The Huffington Post, picked-up on the story. And last night, Keith Olbermann, host of MSNBC's Countdown did a segment based on Bruce's shocking discovery.

The New Yorker
magazine's Ryan Lizza told Olbermann that
"on the offensive scale of one to ten, claiming that God sent Hitler to hunt down the Jews and force them to Israel, is about a 20."

Today, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, President of the Union for Refomed Judaism demanded an explanation from Hagee.





Here is his statement, published on the web site of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:


Hagee Quoted as Blaming Jews for Holocaust: Yoffie's Letter Calls for Explanation


Washington, DC, May 21, 2008 - In response to reports that Pastor John Hagee has made statements suggesting that Jews are responsible for the Holocaust, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, President of the Union for Reform Judaism, sent the following open letter calling for an explanation:


Dear Pastor Hagee,


I have received questions from many of my members who have read recent articles (The Huffington Post, IsraelENews, Talk2Action) about themes in your speeches and writings. You have been quoted as suggesting that the Holocaust was part of God's plan to force the Jews to go to Israel and that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by defying Herzl's Zionist dream to have all Jews go to and settle in the land of Israel.


I am deeply troubled by these quotations. The Holocaust was the work of a deranged, bigoted, and anti-Semitic figure supported by a racist government. To suggest otherwise is surely an affront to the 11 million individuals, 6 million of whom were Jews, who lost their lives in the ashes of what is unquestionably the greatest tragedy of the 20th century. To blame the victims for the Holocaust and to suggest that they brought it on themselves is a desecration of their name and their memory, and an insult to the survivors and their descendents who thankfully remain in our midst today.


I am aware of the work that you have done on behalf of the State of Israel, and for that reason I find your remarks especially troubling. Please help me explain to the members of my movement the statements attributed to you. Are these sentiments representative of your current feelings and perceptions of the Jewish people and the people of Israel? Were they at one time representative? Have you in some way been grossly misquoted? Are these views which you have now repudiated?


As a Pastor to one of our nation's largest churches, your influence is widely felt and your model of leadership is surely one that will influence many Americans. I hope that you agree with me that justifying the Holocaust or blaming it on the Jews is anathema to all who repudiate group defamation and cherish tolerance and respect. I look forward to your response.


Sincerely,

Rabbi Eric Yoffie



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Friday, May 23, 2008

McCain Finally Dumps Hagee


I guess Hagee finally got caught insulting the wrong voting block.


With the nomination well in hand, John McCain has at last rejected the endorsement of pastor John Hagee, who once suggested that the Holocaust was a case of divine providence. McCain stood by Hagee in the past, when the minister’s incendiary remarks about Catholicism and the supposedly divine cause of Hurricane Katrina first came to light.


Read McCain’s statement, which takes a jab at Barack Obama.


And if you’re the curious type, you can read all about Hagee in his own words on his Web site.

Washington Post / The Trail:


When asked what McCain thought of the remarks, campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds responded with an e-mail from the candidate denouncing Hagee.


“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them,” McCain said in the statement. “I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.”


The comments represented a significant shift by McCain, who had refused to reject Hagee’s endorsement in the wake of other controversial comments, such as the reverend’s attack on Catholicism and his implication that Hurricane Katrina represented divine retribution. After learning of those comments, McCain said just because someone endorsed him did not mean he endorsed that person’s views.



(Just what we need, another clueless preznit, who doesn't seem to know anything about the words, beliefs and actions of those whose supports he has sought. My God, if one doesn't know what Hagee spouts all the time, it seems one would educate oneself before actively seeking his endorsement. It isn't all that difficult.)


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Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Rev. Hagee, Whose Support McCain Sought: Nuclear War Inevitable


05/11/2008 12:26:05 AM EST
By Bill Hare

With the mainstream media's steady firepower being directed basically in one direction, one would think that the big story of this presidential campaign season revolve around statements made by Reverend Jeremiah Wright of Chicago and how they politically impact on Barack Obama.

How essentially silent this same media has been concerning the statements of Reverend John Hagee of San Antonio. The only recent definitive study I have seen done on Hagee came from Hagee's fellow Texan Lou Dubose in the excellent political journal he edits and writes for, The Washington Spectator.

Here is how the mainstream media has handled the Hagee matter when it has focused on it at all. There were two infamous statements that were discussed.

One dealt with Hagee's explanation that Hurricane Katrina involved an act of vengeance wreaked on the city of New Orleans by an angry God because the city had scheduled a Gay Pride Parade. Hagee later backed away from the statement when pressured for an answer by media sources.

(Either Hagee is an idiot or God is a pretty poor aim, as most of New Orleans was wiped out, with the exception of the French Quarter, where all such parades are held, which was practically untouched. What's more, how can Hagee account for the fact that most of the biggest disasters which have occurred in the last 8 years have been in Red states. Does that mean that God has it in for Republicans?)

The other Hagee statement that has been publicized, frequently following heavy pressure from progressive journalists demanding answers, was when the San Antonio clergyman called the Roman Catholic Church "The Great Whore."

The "responses" from McCain and a U.S. Senator from Hagee's own state of Texas, Kay Bailey Hutchison, have been truly pathetic. McCain and Hutchison indicated that, while they assuredly disagree with certain statements made by Pastor Hagee including the aforementioned, that he has been a steady supporter of Israel through the years and for this he deserves praise.

The statement about Israel and Hagee's position about the Jewish people is the perfect segue into an area of the Hagee persona and overriding philosophy that, based on what this reporter has and has not seen, has been satisfactorily covered by only two reporters, both of whom were born and raised in Texas, the aforementioned Lou Dubose and current Public Broadcasting System television talk show host Bill Moyers.

Check the record and you will find that Hagee, who receives a $1.25 million a year compensation package and lives in a 5,200 square foot classic revival style home in an exclusive gated community of San Antonio, is an ardent believer in rapture. This is predicated on a deeply held fundamental belief that Armageddon is soon at hand and nuclear war is inevitable.

Yes, the Jewish people figure in this all-embracing scenario in which Jesus Christ will ultimately descend earthward from the clouds to run His kingdom, but in a way that has prompted many Jews to stoutly refuse Hagee's offer of a mutual friendship pact. On the other hand, others have supported him, which is tragic in view of the ultimate fate that the rapturists perceive for the Jewish people.

When Tom DeLay served as Speaker of the House and was riding high, he formed a proud alliance with former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud Party. Netanyahu would speak at joint functions in Washington which included fundraising to serve both the interests of the Likud and the Republicans. A smiling DeLay was proud to call the Likud Party "the Republican Party of Israel."

The alliance was formed due to strong ties between the rapture movement and conservative Jews. As for those who declined, often with sharp disdain, to join forces with Hagee and others in the rapture movement, their opposition is based on logic while any alliance Jewish elements form with Christians eagerly anticipating the Apocalypse is specious.

(Just a personal note here: It is beginning to get one my nerves that the word "Apocalypse" is so often misinterpreted to mean some kind of final destruction. That is not what the word means. It means revelation. I believe that a huge revelation is coming, actually it is already happening for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see, and we have brought it on our selves, as we have been stupid in our actions and need to have some truth revealed; all we can handle of the truth, and then some)

Hagee takes the same view that the later Jerry Falwell adhered to regarding Armageddon and where most Jews were headed. On a revealing appearance with Phil Donahue, Falwell revealed that he had plenty of Jewish friends and that some of them were in the audience that day, but that if they did not accept Jesus Christ that they were ultimately headed for eternal damnation.

The same Reverend Hagee who was and continues to be saluted by McCain, Senator Hutchison and others in the Republican high command for unflagging support to the Jewish cause, in his book, "Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude to War", blamed the Jews for the anti-Semitism that has dogged them for 5,000 years:

"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their 'covenantal' responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day."

Hagee alleged that Jews are responsible for "birth(ing) the seed of anti-Semitism that would rise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come ... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people."

Really, with friends like Hagee, what would those Jewish elements who praise him consider to be an enemy?

One of the most informative of all of Bill Moyers' PBS programs occurred in 2004 when he focused on the rapture movement, interviewing some U.S. rapturists that had visited Jerusalem on a tourist pilgrimage.

These individuals were then warning George W. Bush that they would stay home rather than vote for him in that fall's presidential election unless he abandoned his then stated efforts to encourage Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

They stated unequivocally, as does Hagee, that Armageddon must take its historical course and that meant nuclear war with Jesus Christ descending from the clouds. (Would that be the mushroom clouds?)

One woman interviewed in Jerusalem who was not with the traveling party, but shared the same view, explained that she had bought a residence as close to the site of where Christ would return as possible, pointing out the very spot where this event would occur.

Meanwhile Republicans attempt to keep the focus on Reverend Jeremiah Wright while Hagee and other extremists such as Reverend Rod Parsley continue their inflamed and irresponsible rhetoric as John McCain continues to keep them on board as "spiritual advisers."


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Thursday, March 13, 2008

Alterman: Questions and Answers

What the Hell is wrong with John McCain. Is Hagee any less of an idiot than Farrakhan? Me thinks not.

Have the Jews gone crazy?

Well, I know quite a few who haven't and they find Israel's growing alignment with American Christian crusading-crackpots as very disturbing. Along with us, they find our own government's (at least this administration's) granting of access to the halls of power to this group of loons highly disturbing.

We I.U.s have warned Israel, through message boards and news outlets in Israel, that they are making a huge mistake aligning themselves with Hagee and his ilk. In doing so, they alienate many Americans who then question Israeli policy, whether it's considered anti-semitic or not. We do not consider criticizing Israeli policy as being anti-semitic anymore than criticism of Germany's policy is being anti-German.

No one should know better than we, hapless Americans, that ordinary people cannot be held responsible for their government's idiotic policies, especially when those ordinary people have fought courageously against them.

Can the Israelis possibly not understand that the crusading-crackpots have hell in store for them? That they intend to bring about Armageddon if they possibly can, and that all but 144,000 Jews and all Muslims will be nothing but cannon fodder, so that the Temple can be re-built. (Jesus won't come back until it is, for some strange reason. It's hard to believe that he is off pouting somewhere until the deaths of possibly millions make it possible for a Temple to be built. I just really find that hard to believe, since I have read the Bible and He doesn't seem to be a war-mongering, blood thirsty type.)

I hope that they don't think that reading the Christian Bible helps them know the crackpots and their agenda. Half of what they teach isn't even in the Bible. Take the rapture for example. No where is the rapture to be found, not even in the magic-mushroom induced Revelation of John.

The Israelis should hear what these people say when no one but they own little flock of loons is listening, when the cameras aren't rolling. It ain't pretty. I've heard it.

Hear Oh Israel! Don't align yourselves with hate-mongering idiots.

And then there's Rover. Of course he is consulting with McCain and his campaign. What knot-head would believe that he isn't? He will back Satan himself over a Democrat. The man has a pathological hatred for Democrats. When he slithered out of an indictment, didn't we all know he would be back, in another guise. Enough said.

Altercation, by Eric Alterman

Are we going to war with Iran? "The Man Between War and Peace" is gone.

In reading the Forward this week, I came across some useful questions and answers having to do with politicians, their supporters, and the media's lack of interest in really covering them. For instance: Who is John Hagee? Here are some answers:

On Hurricane Katrina: "All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that ... I believe that Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."

On the Catholic Church: "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."

On Muslims: Asked whether he believes that Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews, Hagee replied, "Well, the Quran teaches that. Yes, it teaches that very clearly."

On women: "Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist."

On the Antichrist: "He's going to make a seven-year treaty with Israel and set up his image to be worshiped in Israel. And that is where I'm convinced that a Jewish person who understands who he is shoots him, because the Bible says he's wounded in the head and recovers wondrously, emulating the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. At this point in time when he comes back to life he has the personality of a Hitler. He now pursues the Jewish people. The Jewish people then go to Petra, which is a place in Jordan that is a natural fortress. And that God is going to provide for them there protection from him. And as he gets ready to pursue him, the Bible says that he, the Antichrist, hears tidings from the east that disturb him. The tidings from the east is that... the Chinese army is marching up the Euphrates River, 200 million of them, and they're moving toward the battle of Armageddon, because they want the oil that will make them a superpower."

On the Israeli-Palestinian peace process: "When the Annapolis Conference was being planned and the topic of dividing Jerusalem came up, one man asked me, 'Where do you stand on this based on the Bible?' I responded that 'the plan of the Antichrist is to divide Jerusalem.' If America puts pressure on Israel to divide Jerusalem we are following the blueprint of the Prince of Darkness. Amos 3:2 states that any nation that divides the Land of Israel will come under the severe judgment of God."

Turns out he is also the fellow who was invited to the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and is greeted there with rapturous applause. He is given the "Humanitarian of the Year" award by the San Antonio B'nai B'rith Council. He is honored with the Zionist Organization of America's "Israel Award."

Also, who is James Baker? He is a McCain endorser who, as secretary of State, was famous for telling the president "Fuck the Jews." Are we all OK with that, neocons who are hysterical about Samantha Power, Rob Malley, and Zbigniew Brzezinski?

Is anti-Semitism growing in the United States? Antisemitic Incidents Down for Third Year: "The ADL counted 1,357 antisemitic incidents in the United States last year, compared with 1,554 in 2006 -- a 13% decrease. The number of reported episodes has declined steadily for the past three years, according to the organization."

George Zornick adds: During televised political discussions, it's always good journalistic form to identify if the person talking is actively supporting a candidate's campaign -- is the person giving their analysis, or the party line? (That's an indistinguishable difference for some pundits these days, but never mind. At least tell us if the commentator has been hired by a politician to be there). So when we see this, it's disturbing:

Republican strategist and Fox News contributor Karl Rove appeared on Fox News' America's Election HQ and Hannity & Colmes to discuss the presidential race, but none of the hosts -- Bill Hemmer, Sean Hannity, or Alan Colmes -- asked Rove whether he was "informally advising" Sen. John McCain's campaign, as a Politico article citing "[a] top McCain adviser" reported, and none noted that Rove has reportedly confirmed donating to McCain's campaign.

This is somewhat ambiguous, since Rove is only reported -- albeit by a top McCain adviser -- to be on board with the campaign. But the hosts have to at least ask the question. Beyond just being bad journalistic form in this case, it's also doubly problematic because Karl Rove is considered by many to be a chief architect of the Bush presidency, and so his active support of John McCain raises the question of how closely McCain's leadership would mirror that of the past eight years. It's a question voters have to evaluate, and it's important to have crucial facts like this. If in the coming months Rove ever leaves the comfy confines of Fox News for, say, the Sunday show circuit, it will be interesting to see if he is identified properly.

Speaking of the Sunday talk circuit, The New York Times reports (via CJR) that Barack Obama made a conscious decision to avoid it as a freshman senator:

Determined to be viewed as substantive, Mr. Obama kept his head down, declining Sunday talk show invitations for his first year, and consulted Senate elders for advice.

So Sen. Obama thinks not appearing on Meet the Press, et al, helps him to be seen as substantive. Let's hope he explains to Russert exactly why he believes that during his next appearance. That would be a substantive interview.


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Tuesday, August 14, 2007

End-Timers, Haters and a few who have a little sense


Some evangelicals counter Hagee view

Web Posted: 08/11/2007 10:31 PM CDT
Abe Levy
Express-News


Not long after Christians United for Israel made a lobbying trip to Washington, other Christians were lining up to oppose CUFI's agenda and letting President Bush know it.

CUFI, founded by San Antonio megachurch pastor John Hagee nearly two years ago to promote a stronger U.S.-Israel alliance, is seeking the support of the more than 50 million evangelicals nationwide. It claims to have 50,000-plus members who hail from churches representing about 2 million.

Evangelicals have customarily been seen as siding with Israel in the Middle East crisis.

But at least a slice of that evangelical community has a different point of view, one that takes up the Palestinian cause along with Israel's.

In a July 29 letter sent to Bush, 34 evangelical leaders, including the presidents of major seminaries, megachurches and nonprofit ministries and organizations, said they support statehood for Israelis and Palestinians and believe a two-state solution matches their Christian faith's teachings on compassion and justice.

"I'm tired of being asked, 'Are you a Christian like (Jerry) Falwell or (John) Hagee or (Pat) Robertson who think Palestinians shouldn't have rights?'" said Bob Roberts Jr., pastor of Northwood Church in Dallas and one of the letter signers. "The whole concept of Christian charity and caring for the underdog is based on God's love for the Palestinians. He loves the Jews, but he loves all of us."

While the letter doesn't cite CUFI directly, it was sent the week after CUFI's Washington trip. Some of the letter's authors said they felt compelled to act because of Hagee's statements that Christians must support Israel to be on God's side of world politics and apocalyptic prophecy.

Hagee could not be reached for comment, but CUFI's president, David Brog, said the letter is a sign of CUFI's influence on evangelicals.

"I think they felt they needed to act and speak up to show (CUFI) doesn't represent every last evangelical," Brog said. "We don't represent every last evangelical. We just represent the majority of evangelicals."

CUFI also sent a letter to the president, dated July 26 and penned by Hagee, urging him not to pressure Israel to give up land for peace because it would only lead to another attack by terrorist organizations bent on Israel's destruction. Bush has announced a plan for a two-state solution in the Holy Land that CUFI warns won't likely work under the current conditions.

CUFI, which asserts only Israel has the historic right to that region, says it hasn't technically ruled out a two-state solution but would support it only if conditions were to drastically change where Palestinian and Muslim leaders could be trusted not to use concessions of land for another round of attacks.

Roberts, the Dallas pastor, was one of three evangelical leaders who attended a conference in the small Muslim country of Qatar in the Middle East. The conference, called the U.S.-Islamic World Forum, drew Western and Muslim leaders for dialogue. There, they discovered Muslim leaders widely believe all evangelicals oppose a Palestinian state, which contributed to the crafting of their letter to the president last month.

"It's not that we're saying we're right and they're wrong," said Joel C. Hunter, senior pastor of Northland Church near Orlando, Fla., who signed the letter and also is on the board of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals. "It's that we don't want it to be represented that the evangelicals have only one point of view on this."

Outside of the evangelical community, CUFI's trip to Washington generated some criticism from people drawn to an online video made by left-leaning journalist Max Blumenthal, a self-described liberal Jew who writes for the Nation, a weekly liberal magazine, and has produced several online videos aimed at exposing hypocrisy among conservative groups.

The video criticizes Hagee's contention that his well-publicized end-time views don't factor into his political lobbying. Blumenthal and a reporter from AlterNet, a left-oriented news site, were escorted off the hotel property after a news conference by CUFI leaders a day before they lobbied at the Capitol.

The Michael Moore-like video depicts CUFI members, most notably former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and interviews with rank-and-file CUFI members, looking forward to the Second Coming of Christ.

Blumenthal said the experience solidified his claim that CUFI seeks to attract evangelicals with end-time prophetic messages but then denies those beliefs publicly and during political lobbying trips. He sees this as troubling, particularly to Jews, who, according to this theology, are foretold to gather in Israel as the end nears where most are killed during an epic battle between the forces of good and evil. Those remaining are said to convert to Christianity.

"There's an obvious disparity between Hagee and his lieutenants and his grass-roots members," he said. "It's embarrassing for Hagee because his professed support for Israel is really an insidious attempt to fatten up the Jews like a Thanksgiving turkey before sticking them in the oven."

Such statements misconstrue CUFI's mission, Brog said, adding that Blumenthal came with an agenda to create a conspiracy and not to craft a balanced piece.

He said if CUFI members wanted to see the end times come about, they wouldn't work to protect Israel but instead would want the country to be under attack to hasten this prophetic scenario. Brog also noted that Blumenthal did not include footage of more competent CUFI members and didn't follow the rules announced to him by CUFI's public relations team that he get approval from them before conducting interviews.

While members may have "beliefs" in biblical prophecy, their motives are separate and stem from concern about the threat of radical Islamic groups and the recurring theme in the Bible to honor the Jewish people.

"Christian Zionism is based on the promises of Genesis and not the prophecies of Revelation," Brog said. "(Blumenthal) showed two or three people who I think are off-base, and you're going to find that in any group of people. He knew from Day One where he was going, and it was not a search for the truth."


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