Sunday, February 17, 2008

Bandfar Bush Threatened Tony Blair About Bribes Inquiry

We aren't fighting this war on terror effectively, at all.

If a prince or any other grand poobah or high hoohah tells a head of state that there will be a terrorist attack if he is investigated, the poobah should be pushing up Daisies within 72 hours. I don't care how. But the head of government should admit it and not try to keep it a secret. Of course, this isn't just any old prince. This is the Saudi prince that was so close to the Bush family for years and spent so much time at their residences while he was the Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. that they nicknamed him Bandar Bush. He was recalled to Arabia several years back, the Saudis said, because he was depressed. I'd sure as hell depress him!

We keep trying to fight this war on terror as if it was WWII all over again and, of course, it isn't. There are no armies, except ours and the U.K.'s, which cannot seem to deal with the kind of "forces" the "terrorists" put forth. we have no business in Iraq (except for the oil of course , and it does not belong to us.)

However, we do have the right to do whatever we think reasonable to a powerful person who threatens us and then let all the scum of his life come pouring out into public view; arms dealing, corruption, fraud, threatening murder, etc., etc.

We will never rid the world of terrorists. Terrorism has been around since man developed a cortex and frontal lobes and could truly be terrorized. But, in order to tune it down a notch or three, we must learn to fight it effectively, in the shadows and without big bulky uniforms with a bull's eye on the back.

That's how one would fight and semi-win a war on terrorist, if that's what we are really doing and I have come to doubt that. The war on terror is bogus, if not so incredibly stupid as to make ones head swim.

My God, I could have done a better job. But then, I would have been thoroughly focused on the terrorists and becoming independent of middle eastern oil first, and then oil from the rest of the world. I would have called on the American people to cut down on consumption of energy and invest in green energy. I would have taken some of the money we have spent on that debacle in Iraq and offered to subsidize hybrids for every American that can't afford to trade their car on something more energy efficient and the same with solar and wind power at home. For those who could afford to trade their car, there would have been tax breaks. (We aren't talking about communism here.We are talking about national security.) Speaking of tax breaks, I would have given them to our auto industry for the express purpose of designing the most energy efficient transportation possible, certainly not to the craven oil companies.

And one more thing; I would have called together the people who could do it, and said we need rail systems; new ones, fast ones and slower ones. We need rail systems for cities and suburbs and for travel from city to city and cross-country. We need fast trains for the business traveler and others who are in a hurry. Slower trains are fine for leisure travel. The railroads were a major force in building this country. Why can't a new version of them save it?

I would have called in mayors and governors, within days, and asked them to work on schemes for their particular states and cities, towns and communities to make it possible for energy efficient transportation; like 86 mpg scooters that people can ride around their neighborhoods, to the grocery, pharmacy and such without having to worry that their lives will be taken by one of those urban assault vehicles. What about golf cart-type vehicles?

My head explodes with ideas, but all Junior could come up with was, travel and shop, 'till your credit cards are maxed out, for old glory. (As if one has to ask Americans to shop and consume.)

So now, not only is the nation in debt so deep it will take generations to pay it off, after we had a huge surplus at the end of the Clinton administration, providing those generations are still alive to do so. (People require a planet that will support life in order to live.) But the American people are also individually in debt, having maxed out their credit cards, they took to using the equity in their houses like a credit card. By this time, in most cases, it wasn't to buy a new Mercedes, but to keep the bill collectors at bay.

I look around where I live and I can see that some people are making big bucks off this market and economy, either that or they have one helluva theft ring going. Many, many more are not. I drive through some neighborhoods and it's like touring a "third world country" (I hate that phrase, but I can't think of another one that would be as appropriate.)

Americans should decide on a place in each state and a date. Go there on the decided date and make an announcement to the banks and other lenders (you know the ones I'm talking about: Sub-prime lenders (which were once known as loan sharks) and credit card lenders who offer low interest rates until you are 5 minutes late with a payment, at which point your interest rate goes from 5.25 to 23%, once and always known as evil bastards). They should say, "you can have my house if you are that heartless, and you can have my car, if you can catch me, but I won't pay one dime of interest on what I owe you and I'll pay my debt in the monthly amount I can afford. If my kid gets sick, he comes first, not you, as does heat in winter, medication, food and other expenses that are a matter of life and death.

Then proceed to throw your plastic on a bonfire and swear to never live above your means again. Contrary to what advertisers and every other capitalist institution would have you believe, it's not a sin to be poor, nor should it be humiliating for you. It should reflect pretty badly on whomever you work for, unless they are not doing that much better than you are. It reflects horribly on the nation if you are elderly or disabled. Who can have any respect for a nation such as that; a nation claiming wealth and moral authority, yet cares not a whit for the "least of these." No one can live on what the disabled are expected to live on, or the elderly, if they don't have investments, pensions or some other kind of income. I can't have any respect for such a nation. No one should.

Further, it should be shameful for the guy that has three houses and 5 cars, one of which is one of those god-awful Humves. If you want to drive a Humvee, go to Afghanistan or Iraq.

If you pay that kind of money for a vehicle and it sucks that much gasoline, you should be prepared to live in it.

Had I been president on 9/11, I would have slapped a federal sales tax on gas-guzzlers. What did Bush do. He gave them a tax break. For what? The higher gas prices he knew he was about to cause.

You have to fight terrorists with smarts, which the U.S. has plenty of, just apparently not in D.C.

I would not be surprised in the least in there is another terrorist event on U.S. soil, if not on inauguration day, soon after. It's been being planned for some time. It was ready to go in Jan. 2005, if necessary. It wasn't necessary. Osama's favorite president won, or so they say. Osama and others, in this country, whom will probably never be named.

I wonder who will get the blame this time?

Whoever is behind it had damned well better know, people are watching, all over the country, and in other countries, and listening. There will be no shock value this time. Just American rage.

BAE: secret papers reveal threats from Saudi prince

Spectre of 'another 7/7' led Tony Blair to block bribes inquiry, high court told


This article appeared in the Guardian on Friday February 15 2008 on p1 of the Top stories section. It was last updated at 12:08 on February 15 2008.

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Prince Bandar, head of Saudi Arabia’s national security council, leaving Downing Street last October. Photograph: Martin Argles

Saudi Arabia's rulers threatened to make it easier for terrorists to attack London unless corruption investigations into their arms deals were halted, according to court documents revealed yesterday.

Previously secret files describe how investigators were told they faced "another 7/7" and the loss of "British lives on British streets" if they pressed on with their inquiries and the Saudis carried out their threat to cut off intelligence.

Prince Bandar, the head of the Saudi national security council, and son of the crown prince, was alleged in court to be the man behind the threats to hold back information about suicide bombers and terrorists. He faces accusations that he himself took more than £1bn in secret payments from the arms company BAE.

He was accused in yesterday's high court hearings of flying to London in December 2006 and uttering threats which made the prime minister, Tony Blair, force an end to the Serious Fraud Office investigation into bribery allegations involving Bandar and his family.

The threats halted the fraud inquiry, but triggered an international outcry, with allegations that Britain had broken international anti-bribery treaties.

Lord Justice Moses, hearing the civil case with Mr Justice Sullivan, said the government appeared to have "rolled over" after the threats. He said one possible view was that it was "just as if a gun had been held to the head" of the government.

The SFO investigation began in 2004, when Robert Wardle, its director, studied evidence unearthed by the Guardian. This revealed that massive secret payments were going from BAE to Saudi Arabian princes, to promote arms deals.

Yesterday, anti-corruption campaigners began a legal action to overturn the decision to halt the case. They want the original investigation restarted, arguing the government had caved into blackmail.

The judge said he was surprised the government had not tried to persuade the Saudis to withdraw their threats. He said: "If that happened in our jurisdiction [the UK], they would have been guilty of a criminal offence". Counsel for the claimants said it would amount to perverting the course of justice.

Wardle told the court in a witness statement: "The idea of discontinuing the investigation went against my every instinct as a prosecutor. I wanted to see where the evidence led."

But a paper trail set out in court showed that days after Bandar flew to London to lobby the government, Blair had written to the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, and the SFO was pressed to halt its investigation.

The case officer on the inquiry, Matthew Cowie, was described by the judge as "a complete hero" for standing up to pressure from BAE's lawyers, who went behind his back and tried to secretly lobby the attorney general to step in at an early stage and halt the investigations.

The campaigners argued yesterday that when BAE failed at its first attempt to stop the case, it changed tactics. Having argued it should not be investigated in order to promote arms sales, it then recruited ministers and their Saudi associates to make the case that "national security" demanded the case be covered up.

Moses said that after BAE's commercial arguments failed, "Lo and behold, the next thing there is a threat to national security!" Dinah Rose, counsel for the Corner House and the Campaign against the Arms Trade, said: "Yes, they start to think of a different way of putting it." Moses responded: "That's very unkind!"

Documents seen yesterday also show the SFO warned the attorney general that if he dropped the case, it was likely it would be taken up by the Swiss and the US. These predictions proved accurate.

Bandar's payments were published in the Guardian and Switzerland subsequently launched a money-laundering inquiry into the Saudi arms deal. The US department of justice has launched its own investigation under the foreign corrupt practices act into the British money received in the US by Bandar while he was ambassador to Washington.

Prince Bandar yesterday did not contest a US court order preventing him from taking the proceeds of property sales out of the country. The order will stay in place until a lawsuit brought by a group of BAE shareholders is decided. The group alleges that BAE made £1bn of "illegal bribe payments" to Bandar while claiming to be a "highly ethical, law-abiding corporation".

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The (G)reedy (O)old (P)ukes Face Obama

Independent though I am and always will be, unless by some miracle we soon have a multi-party system, I beg the Democrats to get it together. If you guys keep fighting amongst yourselves with such venom slinging, you will get the shattered government you deserve, a totally dysfunctional nation and a man who knows zip about economics as president during the worst economic collapse the world has ever seen.

Unfortunately, so will the rest of us.

These are deadly serious times. Get it together!

The Grand Old White Party Confronts Obama

THE curse continues. Regardless of party, it’s hara-kiri for a politician to step into the shadow of even a mediocre speech by Barack Obama.

Senator Obama’s televised victory oration celebrating his Chesapeake primary trifecta on Tuesday night was a mechanical rehash. No matter. When the networks cut from the 17,000-plus Obama fans cheering at a Wisconsin arena to John McCain’s victory tableau before a few hundred spectators in the Old Town district of Alexandria, Va., it was a rerun of what happened to Hillary Clinton the night she lost Iowa. Senator McCain, backed by a collection of sallow-faced old Beltway pols, played the past to Mr. Obama’s here and now. Mr. McCain looked like a loser even though he, unlike Senator Clinton, had actually won.

But he has it even worse than Mrs. Clinton. What distinguished his posse from Mr. Obama’s throng was not just its age but its demographic monotony: all white and nearly all male. Such has been the inescapable Republican brand throughout this campaign, ever since David Letterman memorably pegged its lineup of presidential contenders last spring as “guys waiting to tee off at a restricted country club.”

For Mr. McCain, this albatross may be harder to shake than George W. Bush and Iraq, particularly in a faceoff with Mr. Obama. When Mr. McCain jokingly invoked the Obama slogan “I am fired up and ready to go” in his speech Tuesday night, it was as cringe-inducing as the white covers of R & B songs in the 1950s — or Mitt Romney’s stab at communing with his inner hip-hop on Martin Luther King’s birthday. Trapped in an archaic black-and-white newsreel, the G.O.P. looks more like a nostalgic relic than a national political party in contemporary America. A cultural sea change has passed it by.

The 2008 primary campaign has been so fast and furious that we haven’t paused to register just how spectacular that change is. All the fretful debate about whether voters would turn out for a candidate who is a black or a woman seems a century ago. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama vanquished the Democratic field, including a presidential-looking Southern white man with an enthusiastic following, John Edwards. What was only months ago an exotic political experiment is now almost ho-hum.

Given that the American story has been so inextricable from the struggle over race, the Obama triumph has been the bigger surprise to many. Perhaps because I came of age in the racially divided Washington public schools of the 1960s and had one of my first newspaper jobs in Richmond in the early 1970s, I almost had to pinch myself when Mr. Obama took 52 percent of Virginia’s white vote last week. The Old Dominion continues to astonish those who remember it when.

Here’s one of my memories. In 1970, Linwood Holton, the state’s first Republican governor since Reconstruction and a Richard Nixon supporter, responded to court-ordered busing by voluntarily placing his own children in largely black Richmond public schools. For this symbolic gesture, he was marginalized by his own party, which was hellbent on pursuing the emergent Strom Thurmond-patented Southern strategy of exploiting white racism for political gain. After Mr. Holton, Virginia restored to office the previous governor, Mills Godwin, a champion of the state’s “massive resistance” to desegregation.

Today Anne Holton, the young daughter sent by her father to a black school in Richmond, is the first lady of Virginia, the wife of the Democratic governor, Tim Kaine. Mr. Kaine’s early endorsement of Mr. Obama was a potent factor in his remarkable 28-point landslide on Tuesday.

For all the changes in Virginia and elsewhere, vestiges of the Southern strategy persist in some Republican quarters. Mr. McCain, however, has been a victim, rather than a practitioner, of the old racial gamesmanship. In his brutal 2000 South Carolina primary battle against Mr. Bush and Karl Rove, Mr. McCain’s adopted Bangladeshi daughter was the target of a smear campaign. He was also pilloried for accurately describing the Confederate flag as a “symbol of racism and slavery.” (Sadly, he started to bend this straight talk the very next day.) He is still paying for correctly describing Jerry Falwell, once an ardent segregationist, and Pat Robertson, a longtime defender of South African apartheid, as “agents of intolerance.” And of course Mr. McCain remains public enemy No. 1 to some in his party for resisting nativist overkill on illegal immigration.

Though Mr. Bush ran for president on “compassionate conservatism,” he diversified only his party’s window dressing: a 2000 Republican National Convention that had more African-Americans onstage than on the floor and the incessant photo-ops with black schoolchildren to sell No Child Left Behind. There are no black Republicans in the House or the Senate to stand with the party’s 2008 nominee. Exit polls tell us that African-Americans voting in this year’s G.O.P. primaries account for at most 2 to 4 percent of its electorate even in states with large black populations.

Mr. Obama’s ascension hardly means that racism is kaput in America, or that the country is “postracial” or “transcending race.” But it’s impossible to deny that another barrier has been surmounted. Bill Clinton’s attempt to minimize Mr. Obama as a niche candidate in South Carolina by comparing him to Jesse Jackson looks more ludicrous by the day. Even when winning five Southern states (Virginia included) on Super Tuesday in 1988, Mr. Jackson received only 7 to 10 percent of white votes, depending on the exit poll.

Whatever the potency of his political skills and message, Mr. Obama is also riding a demographic wave. The authors of the new book “Millennial Makeover,” Morley Winograd and Michael D. Hais, point out that the so-called millennial generation (dating from 1982) is the largest in American history, boomers included, and that roughly 40 percent of it is African-American, Latino, Asian or racially mixed. One in five millennials has an immigrant parent. It’s this generation that is fueling the excitement and some of the record turnout of the Democratic primary campaign, and not just for Mr. Obama.

Even by the low standards of his party, Mr. McCain has underperformed at reaching millennials in the thriving culture where they live. His campaign’s effort to create a MySpace-like Web site flopped. His most-viewed appearances on YouTube are not viral videos extolling him or replaying his best speeches but are instead sendups of his most reckless foreign-policy improvisations — his threat to stay in Iraq for 100 years and his jokey warning (sung to the tune of the Beach Boys’ version of “Barbara Ann”) that he will bomb Iran. In the vast arena of the Internet he has been shrunk to Grumpy Old White Guy, the G.O.P. brand incarnate.

The theory of the McCain candidacy is that his “maverick” image will bring independents (approaching a third of all voters) to the rescue. But a New York Times-CBS News poll last month found that independents have even a lower opinion of Mr. Bush, the war, the surge and the economy than the total electorate and skew slightly younger. Though the independents in this survey went 44 percent to 32 percent for Mr. Bush over John Kerry in 2004, they now prefer a Democratic presidential candidate over a Republican by 44 percent to 27 percent.

Mr. McCain could get lucky, especially if Mrs. Clinton gets the Democratic nomination and unites the G.O.P., and definitely if she tosses her party into civil war by grabbing ghost delegates from Michigan and Florida. But those odds are dwindling. More likely, the Republican Party will face Mr. Obama with a candidate who reeks even more of the past and less of change than Mrs. Clinton does. I was startled to hear last week from a friend in California, a staunch anti-Clinton Republican businessman, that he was wavering. Though he regards Mr. McCain as a hero, he wrote me: “I am tired of fighting the Vietnam war. I have drifted toward Obama.”

Similarly, Mark McKinnon, the Bush media maven who has played a comparable role for Mr. McCain in this campaign, reaffirmed to Evan Smith of Texas Monthly weeks ago that he would not work for his own candidate in a race with Mr. Obama. Elaborating to NPR last week, Mr. McKinnon said that while he is “100 percent” for Mr. McCain and disagrees with Mr. Obama “on very fundamental issues,” he likes Mr. Obama and what he’s doing for the country enough to stay on the sidelines rather than fire off attack ads.

As some Republicans drift away in a McCain-Obama race, who fills the vacuum? Among the white guys flanking Mr. McCain at his victory celebration on Tuesday, revealingly enough, was the once-golden George Allen, the Virginia Republican who lost his Senate seat and presidential hopes in 2006 after being caught on YouTube calling a young Indian-American Democratic campaign worker “macaca.”

In that incident, Mr. Allen added insult to injury by also telling the young man, “Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia.” As election results confirmed both in 2006 and last week, it is Mr. Allen who is the foreigner in 21st century America, Mr. Allen who is in the minority in the real world of Virginia. A national rout in 2008 just may be that Republican Party’s last stand.



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Damn! Doesn't Any One Get This Yet?

Will the economy get McCain or disgruntled Republicans? Damn, what a stupid question

The economy is going to get us all and I do mean get us!

Screw a bunch of disgruntled Rethugs. They have only themselves to blame. They are the ones who ran up a debt we will never be able to pay off. They are the ones who covered up for a corrupt, illegitimate administration from day one.

They are still backing an illegal, unjust war and pouring tax payer money down a rat hole. They should be jailed.


By Mary Kane 02/13/2008 633 Views
Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Could the economy, rather than a disgruntled conservative base, trip up Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican front-runner? With slowing job growth, cutbacks in consumer spending and a recession either looming or already well underway, economic worries are topping the list of voter concerns, surpassing the wars in Iraq and national security. To make things worse, the subprime crisis is increasingly snaring prime borrowers as well—meaning more havoc in the housing market. It’s a troubling prospect for McCain, the probable GOP nominee and, by default, standard-bearer of some of the administration’s economic policies.

Debt.jpg McCain’s biggest problem: Glaring weaknesses in his approach to the economy, says Jason Furman, a senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institution. Furman points out that McCain doesn’t convey the competence of former challenger Mitt Romney, with his record of success in the private sector. And he’s seen as unable to display the empathy of Bill Clinton, who turned his feel for the problems of the struggling middle class into a asset during his presidential runs. "McCain is not perceived as someone who is an expert on the economy," Furman said, "or as someone who particularly cares all that much about it."

Beyond that, McCain is saddled with the "burden of history" dilemma—traditionally, during a recession, voters tend to throw out the party in power. Though not the incumbent, McCain has now sided with President George W. Bush in a high-profile way by supporting making Bush’s tax cuts permanent, despite having voted twice against them. He has aligned himself with conservatives by pushing for a lower corporate tax rate, along with other tax breaks for businesses. He also voted for the recent $170 billion stimulus plan supported by the Bush administration, after missing a vote on a competing Senate version that eventually failed.

But McCain also has been critical of the current budget deficit, vowing to go further than the administration in cutting both spending and earmarks.

Some who have looked closely at McCain’s record say it’s hard to pin down what he really believes on the economy. Writing in this week’s New Republic, Jonathan Chait points out that McCain’s economic record from just a few years ago hardly resembles his current outlook:

Conservatives complain constantly of McCain’s disloyalty, but the full extent of that disloyalty is not widely known. Even though it is in the public record, McCain’s voting behavior during Bush’s first term is almost never mentioned in the press anymore. Yet McCain’s secret history is simply astonishing. It is no exaggeration to say that, during this crucial period, McCain was the most effective advocate of the Democratic agenda in Washington.

In health care, McCain co-sponsored, with Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) and Sen Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), a patients’ bill of rights. He joined Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) in sponsoring one bill allowing the re-importation of prescription drugs and another permitting wider sale of generic alternatives. All these measures were fiercely contested by the health care industry and, consequently, by Bush and the GOP leadership.

On the environment, he sponsored with Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) a bill raising automobile fuel-efficiency standards and another bill with Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) imposing a cap-and-trade regime on carbon emissions. He was also one of six Republicans to vote against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

McCain teamed with Sen. Carl Levin on bills closing down tax shelters, forbidding accounting firms from selling products to the firms they audited, and requiring businesses that gave out stock options as compensation to reveal the cost to their stockholders. These measures were bitterly opposed by big business and faced opposition not only from virtually the whole of the GOP but even from many Democrats as well.

McCain voted against the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts. He co-sponsored bills to close the gun-show loophole, expand AmeriCorps and federalize airport security. All these things set him against virtually the entire Republican Party.

But as he prepared for his 2008 presidential run, McCain began to change his tune, Chait says. Beginning in 2005, he stopped blocking repeal of the Estate Tax, and he began working to reassure conservatives he’d be reliable on taxes and spending. He started praising President Bush, instead of distancing himself. He quit teaming up with Democrats on legislation that annoyed Republicans and K Street lobbyists.

All the while, and somewhat improbably, he kept intact his reputation as a straight talker. When he lost the Michigan primary to Romney, he still drew admiration for not pandering to the auto industry and for advocating worker retraining programs and raising fuel economy standards.

Atlantic.com blogger Matthew Yglesias contends that McCain would fair poorly in a campaign dominated by the economy—pointing out here that he’s not strong on understanding economics and that that he’s flip-flopped on broad economic themes, like economic inequality.

Yet, so far, the economy hasn’t proven to be much of an obstacle for McCain.

"The funny thing is that during the period of time when he was running against Romney and Romney kept making statements that McCain didn’t understand economics, McCain still did well among voters who said they cared most about the economy," said Nolan McCarty, a political scientist at Princeton University.

And McCain may do well among them against a Democratic challenger—even if he takes fire again over the economy. He differs from both Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) most starkly over their ambitious health care proposals. But voters who don’t want the government tinkering with such a large portion of the economy might then be drawn to McCain, who supports a smaller-scale effort aimed at controlling health care costs, McCarty said. He also appeals to swing voters who support government spending restraints and identify McCain with that issue.

Besides, in a recession, there’s not really much the government can do, and many voters recognize that, McCarty said. This means that worsening economic conditions won’t necessarily work against McCain. "I don’t think either Obama or Clinton will come out with an economic plan targeted toward the recession," McCarty said. "That’s going to minimize it as an issue."

To someone like Wayne Thorburn, a McCain supporter, the economy actually is a non-issue—at least for now. Thorburn, 63, an Austin, Tex. consultant who initially supported former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, said the economy may present a different picture eight months down the road. And parts of the country like Austin aren’t experiencing the downturn with the same severity as other places, meaning not all voters will give economic concerns the same priority. In the end, he thinks McCain’s advantage on national security will overcome any doubts about his economic positions.

"It’s really hard to predict how big an issue the economy will be," Thorburn said. "And we really don’t know what the impact of the stimulus bill will be on the average voter."

The other unknown is whether voters eventually will decide that concerns about Iraq trump economic worries, even in recessionary times, Furman, of Brookings, said. Health care aside, most of the economic differences between McCain and the Democratic challengers are the usual ideological arguments that separate the parties. But on Iraq, there’s a clear choice. "There’s always the possibility that Iraq will loom larger in people’s minds by November," Furman said.

The man's a crackpot and if any American suffers a horrible depression, the people should make damn sure that those responsible suffer as well.

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McCracked Shows His Awesome Hypocrisy Yet Again

Maverick Fails The Test: McCain Votes Against Waterboarding Ban

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Today, the Senate brought the Intelligence Authorization Bill to the floor, which contained a provision from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) establishing one interrogation standard across the government. The bill requires the intelligence community to abide by the same standards as articulated in the Army Field Manual and bans waterboarding.

Just hours ago, the Senate voted in favor of the bill, 51-45.

Earlier today, ThinkProgress noted that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), a former prisoner of war, has spoken strongly in favor of implementing the Army Field Manual standard. When confronted today with the decision of whether to stick with his conscience or cave to the right wing, McCain chose to ditch his principles and instead vote to preserve waterboarding:

Mr. McCain, a former prisoner of war, has consistently voiced opposition to waterboarding and other methods that critics say is a form torture. But the Republicans, confident of a White House veto, did not mount the challenge. Mr. McCain voted “no” on Wednesday afternoon.

The New York Times Times notes that “the White House has long said Mr. Bush will veto the bill, saying it ‘would prevent the president from taking the lawful actions necessary to protect Americans from attack in wartime.’”

After Bush vetoes the bill, McCain will again be confronted with a vote to either stand with President Bush or stand against torture. He indicated with his vote today where he will come down on that issue.

John McCain: He was against waterboarding before he was for it.

Where are the swift-boaters for truth, now?


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Dems Ask Judge To Order Disclosure Of Missing Emails

Sounds like they have a pretty good case and, because the Bushites went around official Email laws, by using RNC Email accounts, they may well have out-smarted themselves.

Wait 'till these babies hit the public eye.

AP) The Democratic Party asked a judge Thursday to order the disclosure of 68 pages of White House e-mails that the Bush administration is trying to keep secret.

The Democratic National Committee is suing the Justice Department over the firing of U.S. attorneys, seeking electronic messages by White House staffers who performed political duties on e-mail accounts of the Republican National Committee.

Dozens of White House staffers had RNC e-mail accounts and the Democratic Party is trying to determine the extent to which those accounts were used in the U.S. attorneys controversy.

Under former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Justice Department officials consulted with the White House on the firings of at least nine federal prosecutors, triggering a furor over a hiring process that favored Republican loyalists.

The administration is withholding the e-mails from the DNC, claiming they are exempt from public disclosure. The Freedom of Information Act allows claims of confidentiality for presidential communications and material on internal deliberations before a final decision is made.

In a 12-page court filing, the DNC said the Bush administration cannot withhold the e-mails because the White House staffers who wrote them were not acting in their official capacities as presidential advisers, nor were they involved in decision-making on behalf of any government agency, a requirement for invoking the FOIA exemption.

Messages sent over these RNC e-mail accounts were not treated as being subject to the federal laws governing official records, the Democratic Party argued in the court papers filed with U.S. District Judge Ellen Huvelle.


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BushThrows A Hissy-fit At The House

February 16, 2008 - 9:54am

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President George W. Bush lashed out at Democratic lawmakers Friday in a political tug-of-war over a wiretap program that pits US attempts to prevent terror attacks against its duty to protect civil liberties.

Bush accused Democrats in the House of Representatives of putting Americans at risk by blocking the Senate-passed legislation and allowing the post-September 11, 2001 measure to expire as they go on vacation.

"By blocking this piece of legislation our country is more in danger of an attack," Bush said.

Not unless Cheney is planning something. Doing what you've done to iraq has put us all is far more danger!

The program, set to end Saturday, authorizes intelligence agencies to conduct surveillance of US and foreign calls and electronic correspondence without first seeking a warrant and offers immunity to telecommunications companies that participate.

As part of the increasing brinkmanship between Bush's Republicans and the Democratic-controlled Congress, the Senate passed a bill that makes the law permanent, but House Democrats refused to rubber-stamp the measure.

The Senate Sucks!

"The Senate passed a good bipartisan bill to make sure our intelligence community has the tools to protect us from this real threat," Bush said after meeting with Vice President Dick Cheney, intelligence officials and Republican lawmakers.

"There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," he said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so that we can stop it."

By enemy, he means anyone who disagrees with him, and that's who he's spying on, too.

Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, concerned about possible infringement of US privacy laws and the bill's blanket immunity for companies that engage in the surveillance, accused Bush of fear-mongering and trying to bully lawmakers.

"The president knows full well that he has all the authority he needs to protect the American people," Pelosi said Thursday before Congress went on recess due to Monday's President's Day holiday.

"President Bush tells the American people that he has nothing to offer but fear, and I'm afraid that his fear-mongering of this bill is not constructive."

Fear stopped working a long time ago, at least on us. What about Congress?.

In a bid to raise the stakes, Bush threatened to postpone a trip to Africa in order to urge the passage of the legislation.

Oh fergawdssake, go on to Africa and stay there!

White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush "wouldn't have said it if he wasn't prepared to delay his trip" but that he went ahead with the travel plans anyway "because the House has made it clear that they don't intend to act."

Before leaving, Bush criticized House lawmakers for going on a 12-day vacation without passing the bill, and urged the House to "get a good bill to my desk, which is the Senate bill, as soon as possible."

The two sides have clashed over the issue of immunity for telecom operators.

What really concerns him is immunity for him and Cheney.

"Clearly the problem here is a majority of the Democrats in the House would rather see companies in court than they would terrorists in jail," Republican Senator Mitch McConnell told reporters after speaking with Bush.

Oh, Bullshit! The man who looks just like a dead baby bird has, once again, uttered complete nonsense.

Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has argued that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which has been around for 30 years, needs modernization to keep up with advances in technology.

Fine, but why did Bush and Cheney do this before 9/11 and not even ask congress for a change in the laws after 9/11? Could it be that congress was being spied on, not al Qeada?

"For almost two years, we have worked with Congress to modernize FISA and ensure that the intelligence community can effectively collect the information needed to protect our country from attack -- a goal that requires the willing cooperation of the private sector," he wrote in The Washington Post.

Yeah, after you got caught breaking the law. They should have slammed you all in jail, then!

"Without long-term legislation that includes liability protection, we will be delayed in gathering -- or may simply miss -- intelligence needed to protect the nation."

Is that going to be the next excuse?

But Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy dismissed the notion that businesses require immunity in order to cooperate.

"This is sheer nonsense. Under FISA, companies already have absolute immunity for any lawful cooperation. Future companies will be deterred only from cooperating with illegal surveillance requests, which is the whole point of the law."

Stanzel told reporters that the lapse of the law did not mean that surveillance efforts would stop, only that attempts to start new efforts might become more lengthy and cumbersome.

"Some of the efforts that are currently underway have an opportunity to continue; new efforts would have to go through the old process," Stanzel said.



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MSNBC Has Really Jumped The Rails

We'll be having better things to do in the evenings until 8:00 p.m. when Keith cones on.

MSNBC still doesn't "get it": hosts Obama-bashing hatemonger Ann Coulter ... again

A month ago, after Chris Matthews made a forced (and ridiculously inadequate) apology for one of his many sexist comments about Hillary Clinton, MSNBC colleagues Joe Scarborough, David Shuster, and Mika Brzezinski leaped to Matthews' defense.

Brzezinski and Scarborough suggested that Matthews had been taken out of context; in doing so, they falsely portrayed the controversy as being about a single Matthews comment, rather than a years-long pattern of behavior that has been exhaustively detailed by Media Matters, Bob Somerby, and others. Shuster complained: "[T]o see him have to go through this is absolutely infuriating, to see the way these groups used him for pure political gain is absolutely infuriating." Scarborough added, "This ain't about Hillary Clinton's campaign."

This morning, Matthews lashed out at the Clinton campaign, saying that Clinton should "get rid of the kneecappers that work for her," referring to her communications staff who go "after the press." Matthews added, "The kneecapping hasn't worked. Her press relations are lousy. ... If all you do is intimidate and punish and claim you'll get even relentlessly, people of all kinds of politicians -- and in all fairness, the press -- human reaction to intimidation is screw you."

They've had 7 freakin' years of kneecapping by BushCo. The next president won't get away with it.

For the record, Matthews' overt hostility toward Hillary Clinton cannot honestly be described as a reaction to how her presidential campaign has treated the press: More than six years ago, Matthews said of Clinton, "I hate her. I hate her. All that she stands for." More to the point, Matthews' apparent blaming of the Clinton campaign for his own sexism is the clearest indication yet that he doesn't "get it" and that MSNBC doesn't care that he doesn't get it.

He actually said that? Whoa! More Oedipus BS.

MSNBC apparently still doesn't understand that this controversy "ain't about Hillary Clinton's campaign." And it isn't about just one comment, or just one MSNBC reporter. It's about a steady stream of inappropriate comments by Chris Matthews ... and by Joe Scarborough and by Tucker Carlson and by David Shuster. Not just about Hillary Clinton, but about (and to) many women, including some conservative women. And the problem at MSNBC isn't limited to the cable channel's treatment of women: Remember, this is the network that hired Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, and Don Imus. All three were fired after making (predictably) disgraceful comments. Only Imus' firing had anything to do with sexism, and his controversial comments were both sexist and racist.

The controversy, in short, ain't about Hillary Clinton's campaign and never has been. It is about NBC News allowing MSNBC (and, to a somewhat lesser extent, NBC itself) to be a safe haven for hate speech and a sanctuary for sexism.

How else to explain MSNBC's decision to make Ann Coulter a frequent guest? As MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan (a well-known bigot in his own right) explained after a Coulter appearance on the cable channel last year: "I don't think she's peddling hate. ... MSNBC certainly doesn't ... because if they did, they would never put her on the air for an hour."

Allowing Cuntler within 500 years of a microphone is crime enough, in times such as these, when hate should not be tolerated on the airwaves or on cable.

Ann Coulter peddles nothing but hate. Well, that isn't quite fair -- she typically throws in a few lies as well. But the hate is her bread and butter. MSNBC knows this; they fired her for it long ago. Yet they continue to host her.

Media Matters noted in October:

As Media Matters for America documented, in the weeks following the release of her last book, Godless: The Church of Liberalism (Crown Forum, June 2006), Coulter made numerous appearances on MSNBC, CNBC, and their parent network, NBC, where she unleashed a stream of attacks on the widows of victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. As Media Matters also documented, while NBC continued to provide Coulter an open platform with which to spew her inflammatory and offensive rhetoric, several NBC hosts and anchors -- including Tonight Show host Jay Leno, Today co-host Matt Lauer, and Nightly News anchor Brian Williams -- expressed disapproval of Coulter's "harsh" and "nasty" statements. On June 26, 2007 -- the date Godless was released in paperback -- Chris Matthews, host of MSNBC's Hardball, claimed that Coulter forces him to "go to confession." Matthews, however, has a history of inviting her on his show. Following an appearance on Today in June 2006 -- during which Coulter criticized the 9-11 widows for "speak[ing] out using the fact that they're widows" and "using their grief" and "the fact that [they] lost a husband" to make "a political point while preventing anyone from responding" -- Williams devoted a segment of the Nightly News to the subject of "civility in American life," highlighting Coulter's comments. And yet NBC and its cable affiliates have continued to invite her on the air. The upcoming release of Coulter's new book gives rise once again to the question of whether NBC programs will keep hosting her.

According to a Media Matters review*, Coulter has been interviewed at least 194 times on at least 13 individual programs on MSNBC, CNBC, and NBC since April 28, 1997.

Just yesterday, Coulter was a guest on MSNBC Live. A day earlier, she had referred to Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama" five times in a span of two minutes and once described him as "President Hussein." During her appearance on MSNBC, the cable channel touted her recent statement that Obama "wouldn't be running for president if he weren't half-black," which she has described as his "big accomplishment."

On NBC programs alone, Coulter has called former Vice President Al Gore a "total fag" and has attacked former President Bill Clinton as a "latent homosexual." She has defended her claim that 9-11 widows were "enjoying their husbands' deaths." She has wished aloud that "the American military were targeting journalists." She has claimed that "John Kerry does not believe in God." And she has spoken of "perfecting Jews."

After Elizabeth Edwards responded to Coulter's description of her husband, John, as a "faggot," MSNBC Live host Chris Jansing asked Edwards, "There are people who support your opinion, I'm sure you know, who say, 'Why even dignify it with a response? Why give Ann Coulter more publicity?'"

Why give Ann Coulter more publicity? That's a question that should be directed to Steve Capus, not Elizabeth Edwards. As the president of NBC News, Capus may be more responsible than anyone else on earth for giving Ann Coulter publicity.

In August 2006, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann said of Coulter: "[W]hy she has not been banned from this network, I do not know." That's a good question, and one Capus should answer -- but it is also too narrow a question.

MSNBC is the channel that hired Coulter in the 1990s, only to fire her after her controversial comments to a disabled Vietnam veteran; that hired Michael Savage in 2003, then had to fire him for telling a caller to "get AIDS and die"; that hired Don Imus, then had to fire him for making sexist and racist comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team. This is a cable channel that has, for years, been a welcome home to highly questionable comments about race, gender, ethnicity, religion, and sexual orientation.

Chris Matthews has said Republicans "have a right to fear" seeing a "majority Latino population"; when his guest defended America's "tradition" of welcoming immigrants, Matthews retorted, "Do you live in a Mexican neighborhood?" Tucker Carlson used his MSNBC show to call the NAACP a "sad joke that should be shut down" and has attacked Barack Obama's religion, saying of Obama's church, "[I]t's hard to call that Christianity." Joe Scarborough says that pollster John Zogby, an Arab-American, "may be biased" on the issue of the Iraq war and "the Middle East situation."

Before Don Imus was fired, his executive producer told MSNBC viewers that Obama has a "Jew-hating name"; Imus himself referred to the "Jewish management" of CBS Radio as "money-grubbing bastards." MSNBC apparently didn't have any problem with those comments; it would be months before Imus was fired. The cable channel, however, did issue public apologies for ethnic slurs on Imus' show in 2004 and for comments made on the program about the movie Brokeback Mountain in 2006 -- though the later apology whitewashed Chris Matthews' role in the matter.

MSNBC frequently hosts Bill Donohue, an unrepentant bigot who has said that "[p]eople don't trust the Muslims when it comes to liberty," referred to the "gay death style," demanded that the gay community "apologize to straight people for all the damage that they have done," asserted that Hollywood "is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular," and claimed that Hollywood "likes anal sex" and "abortions." Not to mention his repeated use of the slur "gook." And he has said all of that on MSNBC.

This is a cable channel that, in the middle of a monthlong controversy over its pattern of broadcasting sexist comments, chose to host Ann Coulter, a pundit whose defining characteristic is her tendency to make utterly inappropriate comments about women and minorities. (A more tone-deaf response to such a controversy is hard to imagine, though Arkansas Democrat-Gazette political editor Bill Simmons' decision to respond to accusations that the paper's newsroom is a "good ole' boys club" filled with racist and sexist commentary by referring to "boys being boys" was indescribably bad.)

This is what MSNBC is. It is the cable channel of Ann Coulter and Michael Savage and Don Imus. It is the home to Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson and their deeply disturbed attitudes toward women.

The longer MSNBC responds to legitimate concerns about the conduct of its hosts and guests by lashing out at critics and booking Ann Coulter again, the more clear it becomes that the problems at MSNBC go much higher than Chris Matthews.


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Friday, February 15, 2008

Mark McKinnon Will Quit McCain RatherThan Run Against Obama

Earlier today, the Swamp noted that Mark McKinnon, a senior campaign adviser to both President Bush and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, had said some time ago that he could not serve McCain if Sen. Barack Obama became the Democratic presidential nominee.

And now this evening, the Republican consultant is reaffirming his stance that he will have to step out of his advisor’s role for the campaign if Obama wins the Democratic nomination. He explained his aversion to campaigning against Obama in an interview aired by National Public Radio, where Michele Norris interviewed him for All Things Considered:

“I met Barack Obama, I read his book, I like him a great deal,” McKinnon said. “I disagree with him on very fundamental issues. But I think, as I said, I think it would a great race for the country, and I would simply be uncomfortable being in a campaign that would be inevitably attacking Barack Obama. I think it would be uncomfortable for me, and I think it would be bad for the McCain campaign.” Read on…

Seems Mr. McKinnon has more conscious than to be caught up in the usual GOP slime/slash/kill machine if it's aimed at Obama. He knows what's coming. So do we. We had better be prepared to fight back, as the people.

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John Lewis has second, or is that third, thoughts

John Lewis, D. GA was torn between Hillary and Barack when guess who, Bill Clinton, put the pressure on, and Lewis publicly endorsed Hillary, giving her one of the most important Black endorsements.

Now, it appears circumstances have pushed Lewis in the other direction.

Representative John Lewis, an elder statesman from the civil rights era and one of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s most prominent black supporters, said Thursday night that he planned to cast his vote as a superdelegate for Senator Barack Obama in hopes of preventing a fight at the Democratic convention.

“In recent days, there is a sense of movement and a sense of spirit,” said Mr. Lewis, a Georgia Democrat who endorsed Mrs. Clinton last fall. “Something is happening in America, and people are prepared and ready to make that great leap.”

Mr. Lewis, who carries great influence among other members of Congress, disclosed his decision in an interview in which he said that as a superdelegate he could “never, ever do anything to reverse the action” of the voters of his district, who overwhelmingly supported Mr. Obama.

“I’ve been very impressed with the campaign of Senator Obama,” Mr. Lewis said. “He’s getting better and better every single day.”

Time’s Mark Halperin argued that Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic nomination, in light of Lewis’ announcement, have been cut in half. That strikes me as a bit of an exaggeration, but I think it’s certainly fair to say this is a major development.


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Rule By Fear Or By Law

"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."

- Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), which passed the House by the lopsided vote of 404-6, would set up a commission to "examine and report upon the facts and causes" of so-called violent radicalism and extremist ideology, then make legislative recommendations on combatting it.

According to commentary in the Baltimore Sun, Rep. Harman and her colleagues from both sides of the aisle believe the country faces a native brand of terrorism, and needs a commission with sweeping investigative power to combat it.

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counter-terrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.

Animal rights activists? Whoooo, scary. Trespassing, sit-ins and CD. Makes you quake in your boots, eh?

No, it makes them quake in theirs. But why all of a sudden?

This isn't aimed, specifically, at any of the old groups, though it may be a way of getting rid of all of them in one fell swoop. Why? Damned if I know. These groups have been around for 30 years or more and they haven't done much damage, except for the anti-abortion people who blow up family planning clinics, with people inside.

Protesters for peace? Now that's a scary lot.

My hunch is that this is all being constructed, the law and the detention centers, for something yet to come, but that they are sure is coming. What could that be? What could bring out, into the streets, all the diverse groups mentioned above plus hundreds of thousands of other Americans in mass riots? Another assassination, maybe. Yep, that would do it for sure.

But what else?

Did anyone else notice that second amendment advocates were listed? I hate to say this to my very liberal friends, but that is scary.

Harman seem more and more like a Nazi every day!

What could the government be contemplating that leads it to make contingency plans to detain without recourse millions of its own citizens?

Something it's citizens won't tolerate, would be my guess.

The Constitution does not allow the executive to have unchecked power under any circumstances. The people must not allow the president to use the war on terrorism to rule by fear instead of by law.

What constitution? It's been being shredded ever since Nixon and the shredders have been smokin' ever since 2000. There are no more laws protecting the citizens from our government. The sooner the people realize this the better off we will all be.

Lewis Seiler is the president of Voice of the Environment, Inc. Dan Hamburg, a former congressman, is executive director.

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UnFreakin;Believable!!!!!!

This Sullivan guy ought to be horse-whipped. I've got one out in the barn.

Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan aired "side-by-side comparison" of speeches by Hitler and Obama

Summary: Fox News Radio host Tom Sullivan took a call from a listener who stated that when listening to Barack Obama speak, "it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell." Sullivan then played a "side-by-side comparison" of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. Sullivan mimicked the crowd during both speeches, yelling, "Yay! Yay!" When a later caller complained that Sullivan was "denigrating" Obama with the comparison, Sullivan said he wouldn't play it again, then begged: "Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again. ... Until the next time."


On the February 11 broadcast of Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan Show, host Tom Sullivan took a call from a listener who stated: "Listening to [Sen. Barack] Obama ... it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with [Nazi dictator Adolf] Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell." Sullivan replied: "Oh, yeah, yeah ... I presume you're not saying he's Hitler, but I understand your point." Following the commercial break, Sullivan stated the caller "wasn't calling Barack Obama Hitler. He was just talking about how Hitler got the crowd all excited, and Barack Obama got the crowd all excited." Sullivan then stated that he would do a "side-by-side comparison" of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. Sullivan then introduced the "comparison" by stating: "So, ladies and gentlemen, from the past, a little archive, a little walk down Der Fuehrer's memory lane. Here he is, the one, the only, Adolf Hitler!" Sullivan proceeded to play a clip of a Hitler speech, followed by Obama's February 9 speech at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Richmond, Virginia. Sullivan mimicked the crowd during both speeches, yelling, "Yay! Yay!"

Following Sullivan's "comparison," a listener called in to say: "I resent the fact that you would compare -- I am a black man -- you would compare Barack Obama to Hitler, because we need leaders that can inspire us, to hope for the future. We need people like him." Sullivan replied: "I love his speech." The caller then asked: "Then why would you bring Hitler in on it?" Sullivan responded: "I didn't. The caller brought Hitler in on it. The caller said he sounds like Hitler." The upset caller responded: "Well, why would you even pick it up? It's denigrating his character." Sullivan replied: "No, it's not." Sullivan later stated: "Well, I understand that Hitler is hated by, and should be, by most everybody in civilized society. ... But the point being, you must remember something. Adolf Hitler was able to gather a country of people and get them excited about whatever it was that he was talking to them about. He was a very fiery, enigmatic -- I'm not sure -- I mean, he was -- I mean, he really got the people all thrilled, and I'm sitting there going,' I hadn't thought about him being associated in any way with Clint' -- and I asked the guy, I said, 'Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler?' And he said, 'No, it's the speaking style, that's all.' And the speaking style is actually kind of similar." Before Sullivan ended the segment, he stated: "All right, we won't play Hitler any more, then." But Sullivan then pleaded: "One time -- oh, come on, one more time? Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again." He then added: "Until the next time."

According to his bio on FoxNews.com, Sullivan has "been a regular fill-in for the most listened to talk show in the world, The Rush Limbaugh Program, for a number of years" and "now anchors the 10AM-Noon (Eastern Time) show on the FOX Business Network."

Media Matters for America has previously documented numerous other examples of conservative media figures comparing progressives to Nazis. For example, on December 13, 2007, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly responded to guest Jane Hall's assertion that actor Tim Robbins, who was campaigning for John Edwards, made "valid" criticisms of the media by stating: "But [Nazi Foreign Minister Joachim] Von Ribbentrop in the Nazi hierarchy made valid points, Jane." O'Reilly has also claimed there is "no difference between" the Nazis and progressive blog Daily Kos. On January 11, nationally syndicated radio host Michael Savage declared that Media Matters is "run by a bunch of fascist homosexuals. They're the brownshirts of our time." In April 2007, Savage also called a speech by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton "Hitler dialogue."

From the second hour of the February 11 broadcast of Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan Show:

CALLER: Listening to Obama, and what I've seen on TV. I'm 65 years old, and it harkens back when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell.

SULLIVAN: Oh yeah, yeah.

CALLER: And I don't think -- I can't think of any other politician that has excited them as much as he has.

SULLIVAN: He -- I presume you're not saying he's a Hitler, but I understand your point.

CALLER: Right. He's exciting the people, he's igniting them, and are they even thinking about what he's saying?

SULLIVAN: No. Because I'll tell you, if you listen to him, he sounds -- how can you argue with a guy who says he's for hope, he's for a great America, he's for a great country, we're great people. We can do anything we want, you can be anything you want.

CALLER: Yep, and he ain't telling them to get off their seats and go do it themselves.

SULLIVAN: I know -- well, we -- don't now -- don't ruin a good story with trying to get the details. No, I understand your point, [caller]. You're absolutely right. The details will have to come out. We'll be right back.

[...]

SULLIVAN: For those of you who heard the call from the guy in Texas who said that Barack Obama reminds him of Hitler, well, I take up the challenge. You decide for yourself. Here is -- oh-oh, one minute, OK, we got -- we need -- I thought you were signaling that you were ready. We're putting -- we're finding -- we have had to go to our global resources now, to find out of our German file a speech or two from Der Fuehrer and find out -- I have no idea what he was saying in this speech, but we'll see. I wonder what -- if it sounds at all like -- I mean, he wasn't calling Barack Obama Hitler. He was just talking about how Hitler got the crowd all excited, and Barack Obama got the crowd all excited. Let's take a phone call and we'll come back and we'll see if we can do a little side-by-side comparison.

[...]

SULLIVAN: But they certainly knew the Republicans were spending more than they possibly should have. Let's take a short break and come back. No, no, can we get this in now? OK. Before the break, a caller just before the bottom of the hour said that Barack Obama's speech reminds him of hearing the speeches of Adolf Hitler. So, ladies and gentlemen, from the past, a little archive, a little walk down Der Fuehrer's memory lane. Here he is, the one, the only, Adolf Hitler.

[audio clip of Hitler speech]

SULLIVAN: Yay! Yay! All right, great. I don't know what he said. Here's Barack Obama.

[audio clip of Obama speech]

SULLIVAN: Yay!

[audio clip of Hitler speech]

SULLIVAN: Yay!

[...]

SULLIVAN: Now we're getting -- now we're getting requests -- we're kind of like the Top 40 music station. We're getting requests for different speeches that were being played. Yes, just name your speech, and we will see if we can play it for you, the Top 40 speech.

[...]

SULLIVAN: Back to the phones we go. [Caller] in Columbus, Ohio. Hi, [caller]. How have you been?

CALLER: I am here. Thank you for the opportunity to be on the show.

SULLIVAN: You bet.

CALLER: I resent the fact that you would compare -- I am a black man --

SULLIVAN: Yes, sir.

CALLER: -- you would compare Barack Obama to Hitler, because we need leaders that can inspire us, to hope for the future. We need people like him.

SULLIVAN: I love the -- I love his speech. I told you I sat there and I went -- I'm going -- I'm listening to his speech --

CALLER: Why would you bring Hitler in on it?

SULLIVAN: I didn't. The caller brought Hitler in on it. The caller said he sounds like Hitler.

CALLER: Well, why would you even pick it up? It's denigrating his character.

SULLIVAN: No, it's not.

CALLER: Well, Hitler has nothing to do with what is right and honorable and what the country should be looking forward to. And I believe this, I believe that the intellect of Barack Obama is strong enough to bring in a cabinet and to surround himself with men who can -- can run -- help him run this country. No president has everything, all the knowledge needed, but his intellect to be able to bring men into his cabinet who can steer this country, is what it's all about, and I think he's got the intelligence to do it.

SULLIVAN: Who are you for?

CALLER: I -- actually, I happen to be a Republican because of my morals. But I believe that Barack Obama -- I don't like McCain, I really don't.

SULLIVAN: Yeah, you don't -- yeah.

CALLER: I don't like McCain, I really don't. But Barack Obama, I would vote for him because I believe that he has some level facts about his thinking, but I'm thinking that he would be a good president to inspire us for the future and equality for everybody.

SULLIVAN: Are you sure you're not a seminar caller? We had one a few minutes ago.

CALLER: No, I have not ever been on your show before.

SULLIVAN: We had -- no, we had a different caller, but I'm just going, are you guys all coming from the Barack Obama seminar on how to call talk shows and talk good about him?

CALLER: I am a truck driver running the road right now through Harrisburg, and I got a Sirius Radio that I was listening to. But I just said that I had to call because I resent the fact that you're picking up on that thing with Hitler.

SULLIVAN: Well, I understand that Hitler is hated by, and should be, by most everybody in civilized society.

CALLER: Yes, even you. Even you.

SULLIVAN: But the point being, you must remember something. Adolf Hitler was able to gather a country of people and get them excited about whatever it was that he was talking to them about. He was a very fiery, enigmatic -- I'm not sure -- I mean, he was -- I mean, he really got the people all thrilled, and I'm sitting there going, "I hadn't thought about him being associated in any way with Clint" -- and I asked the guy, I said, "Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler?" And he said, "No, it's the speaking style, that's all." And the speaking style is actually kind of similar.

CALLER: But part of being a good leader and a motivating leader is to be able to inspire people. That's part of being a good leader.

SULLIVAN: Yeah, Oh, yeah.

CALLER: -- denigrating because you have --

SULLIVAN: I think -- don't you think I've made a very good point of the difference between his leadership speaking style and Ms. Clinton's speaking style?

CALLER: Yeah, I think you do. If you had left Hitler out of it, you'd have had a perfect show.

SULLIVAN: All right, we won't play Hitler any more, then.

CALLER: Oh, I --

SULLIVAN: One time -- oh, come on, one more time? Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again.

CALLER: Well, sure, but I think --

SULLIVAN: Until the next time.

CALLER: -- some in the audience that don't appreciate that --

SULLIVAN: All right, all right. I'll take your cautionary words in stride. I appreciate it, thanks, [caller]. Short break. We'll be right back.



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The Nazis, Fascists and Communists were political parties before they became enemies of liberty and mass murderers.