Showing posts with label Hillary Clinton. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Hillary Clinton. Show all posts

Thursday, April 23, 2009

Oh, Suh-nap......Hillary!


Wednesday, April 22, 2009


VIDEO-- Hillary Clinton: "I don't consider Cheney a reliable source." Oh, suh-nap!

By GottaLaff
Oh, suh-nap!



Hillary caused a little damage to the Nation of Dick
Looks like he just got owned by a girlie:
I am watching SOS Hillary Clinton's testimony to the House Foreign Affairs committee on CNN.com whereupon some Republican congressman (Dana Rohrabacher) asked about the wisdom in releasing the torture memos, and went on to quote Dick Cheney's statement to Fox News that torture works to keep us safe. He continued with Cheney's claim that there are memos that show that torture techniques work. Hillary abruptly cut the congressman saying acerbically:
"It won't surprise you that I don't consider Dick Cheney a particularly reliable source...I believe we ought to get to the bottom of this"
[...] It shut up the guy instantly.
Here are a couple of bonus quotes, this time regarding The Marxist Commie Handshake between President Obama and Hugo Chavez:
She just right now knocked away all that silly huffing and puffing about "handshake-gate." She described the book gift-giving incident as a case of Hugo Chavez camera hogging, including the way he deliberately positioned the book cover so that the title would catch the camera lens. She said:
I found it all amusing...President Obama was right; why should we be afraid of shaking somebody's hand...Iran is seeking influence in our hemisphere...we buy their (Venezuela) oil...let's see if we can turn some of this (animosity) around... [laughter]
To another "concerned Republican" about the Hugo Chavez handshake, she just said:
8 years of isolation hasn't worked. We've isolated him (Hugo Chavez), so he's gone elsewhere. He's a sociable guy, so he's found the sorts of friends we don't like. Eight years of isolation hasn't worked so let's try something else.

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Saturday, September 13, 2008

Palin: "Obama Regrets Bypassing Clinton"

Now, Alaska's governor is a mind reader, eh?


By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer


Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said Friday she thinks Barack Obama regrets not making Hillary Rodham Clinton his running mate.


Palin praised Clinton's "determination, and grit and even grace" during the Democratic primaries, sounding an altogether different note than when she suggested earlier this year that the New York senator was whining about negative press coverage and campaigning in a way that was not advancing the cause of women in politics.


"I think he's regretting not picking her now," Palin told ABC News.


Her comment brought a sharp rejoinder from Democratic Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, on behalf of the Obama campaign: "Sarah Palin should spare us the phony sentiment and respect. Governor Palin accused Senator Clinton of whining."


Palin, in the second part of her first major interview since she joined the GOP ticket, also defended the nearly $200 million in federal pet projects she sought as Alaska governor this year even as John McCain told a television audience she had never requested them.


Palin was confronted in the interview with two claims that have been a staple of her reputation since joining McCain: that she was opposed to federal earmarks, even though her request for such special spending projects for 2009 was the highest per capita figure in the nation; and that she opposed the $398 million Bridge to Nowhere linking Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport.


Palin actually turned against the bridge project only after it became a national symbol of wasteful spending and Congress had pulled money for it.


Palin told ABC's Charles Gibson that since she took office, the state had "drastically" reduced its efforts to secure earmarks and would continue to do so while she was governor.


"What I've been telling Alaskans for these years that I've been in office, is, no more," Palin said.


When Gibson noted she had requested money to study the mating habits of crabs and harbor-seal genetic research — the kind of small-bore projects that draw McCain's ire — Palin said the specific requests had come through universities and other public entities and weren't worked out by lobbyists behind closed doors.


On the Bridge to Nowhere, Palin said she had supported a link from the mainland to the airport but not necessarily the costly bridge project.


"We killed the Bridge to Nowhere," Palin said flatly, despite evidence she had supported the project in its early stages.


On social issues, Palin reiterated her opposition to abortion rights — parting with McCain, who supports legal abortion in cases of rape or incest. Palin opposes those exceptions. Like McCain, she supports overturning the Roe vs. Wade guarantee of abortion rights.


However, she came down against a constitutional ban on abortion, which many social conservatives want. She said of abortion, "I think the states should be able to decide that issue," a position incompatible with a constitutional ban. In that respect, her position is the same as McCain's.


Palin refused to say whether she believed homosexuality was an orientation or a choice. "I'm not one to judge," Palin said.


Palin's comments came after McCain sat for a feisty grilling on ABC's "The View," where he claimed erroneously that his running mate hadn't sought money for federal pet projects.


"Not as governor she didn't," McCain said, ignoring the record.


Palin's entry in the race has drawn support from many white women, and the McCain campaign hopes in particular that she can pull Clinton's supporters away from Obama. It was in that spirit that she heaped praise on Obama's defeated rival in the face of her earlier criticisms.


"What determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way — she handled those well," Palin said.


In March, Palin was asked about coverage of Clinton at a Newsweek forum, and said: "Fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. I mean, you gotta plow through that. You have to know what you're getting into ... when I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or you know maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, 'That doesn't do us any good — women in politics."


Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, the man Obama picked for his ticket, defended Clinton this week when a voter told him it was best that he was chosen over the New York senator. Biden said Clinton "might've been a better pick than me."


In Alaska, meanwhile, the investigator looking into whether Palin abused her power as governor in trying to fire her former brother-in-law asked state lawmakers for the power to subpoena Palin's husband, Todd, a dozen others and the phone records of a top aide. The state House and Senate judiciary committees were expected to grant the request.


Palin told ABC she welcomed the investigation. "There's nothing to hide in this," she said.


Palin was in Alaska on Friday and scheduled to attend a campaign rally in Nevada on Saturday while McCain took the day off, a reflection of her growing status as the GOP ticket's celebrity draw.


On "The View," McCain said that Palin had "ignited a spark" among voters but acknowledged they parted ways on certain issues. The Arizona has said human behavior is largely responsible for climate change and opposes drilling for oil in a federally protected refuge, for example.


McCain appeared to back off a bit from his claim that Palin was the best vice presidential pick in U.S. history when he joked, "We politicians are never given to exaggeration or hyperbole."


The GOP hopeful also stood by two debunked campaign commercials — one which said Obama favored comprehensive sex education for kindergarten students and another that suggested Obama had called Palin a pig. Both are factually inaccurate.


Obama, as an Illinois state senator, voted for legislation that would teach age-appropriate sex education to kindergartners, including information on rejecting advances by sexual predators. And while Obama told a campaign rally this week that McCain's policies were like "putting lipstick on a pig," he never used the phrase in connection with Palin.


"Those ads aren't true. They're lies," said "View" co-host Joy Behar.


"They're not lies," McCain said, insisting that Obama "chooses his words very carefully" and should never had made the lipstick remark.

___


Associated Press writer Garance Burke in Wasilla, Alaska, contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2008 The Associated Press.


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Sunday, August 24, 2008

UHOH!!! If This Is True......



....or even false, all hell is about to break loose!


Editor's Note

Is this legal filing on Obama's birth certificate part of a carefully prepared ploy to trigger a crisis at the Democratic Convention? The suit was filed in Philadelphia five days prior to the Democratic Convention.

Philip Berg is close to Hillary Clinton. Is this action being launched because Hillary Clinton was not chosen as Obama's running mate for the office of the Vice President?

Will the law suit be allowed to proceed?

Are the Republicans supportive of this initiative? Will the lawsuit be used by the McCain campaign?

The mainstream media has not covered the issue. There is barely mention of the lawsuit in America's main news sources. The text of the Press Release is contained in Annex. Links to the main legal dcouments are also provided.

The article below is posted with a view to informing our readers. Global Research does not necessarily support the views expressed in the article.

Global Research will provide further analysis as events unfold.


Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, August 23, 2008



A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."












PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
: - 08/21/08

For Further Information Contact:

Philip J. Berg, Esquire Suit Filed

555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 08/21/08

Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531

Cell (610) 662-3005 No. 08-cv-4083

(610) 825-3134

(800) 993-PHIL [7445]

Fax (610) 834-7659

philjberg@gmail.com

Philip J. Berg, Esq. Files Federal Lawsuit

Requesting Obama

Be Removed as a Candidate as he does not meet the

Qualifications for President


(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 08/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, filed a lawsuit in Federal Court today, Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to \FORMS\PressReleaseObama08212008 to be President of the United States. Berg filed this suit for the best interests of the Democratic Party and the citizens of the United States.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in his lawsuit that Senator Obama:

1. Is not a naturalized citizen; and/or

2. Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or

3. Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia.

Berg stated: “I filed this action at this time to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.

There have been numerous questions raised about Obama’s background with no satisfactory answers. The questions that I have addressed include, but are not limited to:

1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?

2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?

3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?

4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.

5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.

If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.

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Berg continued:


“Eighteen million Democratic Primary voters donated money, volunteered their time and energy, worked very hard and then not only supported Senator Clinton, but voted for her and often recruited other supporters as well. All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because this man lied and cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process and the supporters of their citizen choice for the nomination.


Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Senator Obama's lies and obfuscations. He clearly shows a conscience of guilt by his actions in using the forged birth certificate and the lies he's told to cover his loss of citizenship. We believe he does know, supported this belief by his actions in hiding his secret, in that he failed to regain his citizenship and used documents to further his position as a natural born citizen. We would also show he proclaims himself a Constitutional scholar and lecturer, but did not learn he had no eligibility to become President except by means of lying, obfuscations and deceptions. His very acts proves he knew he was no longer a natural born citizen. We believe he knew he was defrauding the country or else why use the forged birth certificate of his half sister?


Americans lost money, goods and services donated in their support of a candidate who supposedly was a natural born citizen simply because the DNC officers and party leaders looked the other way and did not demand credentials to answer the questions and prove whether or not Senator Obama was a legitimately natural born citizen, even in light of recent information that has surfaced on websites on the Internet suggesting Senator Obama may not be eligible to become President and questioning his status of multiple citizenships and questionable loyalties! If the DNC officers and.or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship through an oath of allegiance at age eighteen [18] as prescribed by Constitutional laws!


The injunctrive relief must be granted because failing to do so, this inaction defrauds everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary for a nominee that is a fair representation of the voters. Failure to grant injunctive relief would allow a corrupted, fraudulent nomination process to continue. It not only allows, but promotes an overwhelming degree of disrespect and creates such a lack of confidence in voters of the primary process itself, so that it would cement a prevailing belief that no potential candidate has to obey the laws of this country, respect our election process, follow the Constitution, or even suffer any consequence for lying and defrauding voters to get onto the ballot when they have no chance of serving if they fraudulently manage to get elected! It is unfair to the country for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of their ability to serve if elected.


All judges are lawyers and held to a higher standard of practice than a regular lawyer. It is this Judicial standard that demands injunctive relief prayed for here. This relief is predicated upon one of the most basic premises of practicing law which states no lawyer can allow themselves to be used in furthering a criminal enterprise. And by that gauge alone, failing to give injunctive relief to the 18 million supporters of the other candidate, a true natural born citizen eligible to serve if elected, this court must not allow itself to be used to further the criminal and fraudulent acts to continue and be rewarded by becoming the Democratic Nominee. Failure to give the injunctive relief prayed for will insure that a corrupted Presidential election process will only guarantee a show of unfair preference of one group of people over another group by not demanding the same rules be applied to all groups equally and fairly, especially in light of the fact that both candidates are each considered a minority.



LINKS TO KEY DOCUMENTS



File Description File size
Download this file (ObamaComplaint.pdf)Complaint for declaratory and injunctive relief 142 Kb
Download this file (ObamaMemSupportTRO082108.pdf)Memorandum in support of temporary restraining order This document contains a complete narrative of the facts. 164 Kb
Download this file (ObamaMotionforTRO.pdf)Plaintiff's motion for temporary restraining order Plaintiff's motion for temporary restraining order 108 Kb
Download this file (ObamaTempOrder.pdf)Temporary Restraining Order 79 Kb
Download this file (PressReleaseObama082108.pdf)Press Release

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Sunday, June 8, 2008

Bilderbergers In Chantilly, Virginia This Weekend


Only one of several "secret societies," the members of which are said to be the movers and shakers behind all world events. The other big two: The Committee on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

The rumor is that Obama and Clinton are attending this weekend.

How much power do these people really have? How much money do they have and whom are they supporting, politically, not only in this county, but from many nations around the world the world.

Open Question

Show me another »

Is there anyone in Chantilly, VA that has stopped by the Bilderberger meeting @ the Westfields Marriott...?

....this weekend? It is going on June 5th - 8th. Hillary and Obama are both supposed to stop by this "secret meeting."

How about the press, where are they on this one? They like to cover the candidates 24/7 .... until they attend a secret meeting.

If you think this is a joke, give the Marriott a call and see if any rooms are available tonight or tomorrow.... 1-800-635-5666 It's toll free and only takes a minute.

If you call, I'm curious.....what did they tell YOU.


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Sunday, June 1, 2008

Latest: DNC Rules Committee


The Democrats can either come out of this and the convention united or risk 4 more years of McBush. As an independent, I would consider that highly irresponsible of the democratic party and one more reason to tear the big two down, if the Clinton's don't do it for us.


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Florida and Michigan Democrats tried to make their case to a national party rules committee Saturday to seat their delegates at the party convention in August.

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Members of the Democrats' rules committee discuss the delegate issue Saturday.

Although Florida's representatives appeared to be close to a compromise, Michigan's seemed to be far apart.

After meeting for about five hours, the hearing broke for lunch. The audience of 500 people and those out in hallways appeared to grow more boisterous as the hearing went on, cheering and booing speakers.

The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee is hearing the two states' appeals on its decision to strip all of their delegates because they moved their primary contests earlier on the calendar.

Lawyers for the committee advised in a memo CNN obtained this week that the committee's rules call for 50 percent of the delegations to be seated.

Seating all of the states' delegates is not on the table, the committee Co-chairwoman Alexis Herman said in her opening remarks.

"We had many states that wanted to violate the timing. We needed to send a very strong signal in order to prevent additional states from moving forward," Herman said.

Supporters of Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama disagree over how best to handle the situation.

Both Democratic presidential hopefuls have both said they want the Florida and Michigan delegates to attend the convention. CNN.com/Live is carrying the meeting in its entirety.

Clinton's campaign is calling for the results of the states' primaries to be honored and the delegates awarded based on the results. That approach would help her chip away at Obama's lead in pledged delegates because she handily won both states and would be awarded a greater share of the delegates.

Obama's campaign disagrees, saying he followed the rules, took his name off of the Michigan ballot and did not campaign in either state. Video See what the fuss is all about »

The chairman of Michigan's Democratic Party called on the committee to seat Michigan's delegation in full, with full voting rights, and divide the pledged delegates between Clinton and Obama, 69-59.

In Michigan, Clinton got 55 percent of the vote, and 40 percent of Democrats voted for an uncommitted slate.

Mark Brewer admitted under questioning from the panel that the party had not followed any set guidelines in determining the split but had reached this compromise because "we have to do something in this situation; we can't do nothing. I wish there were more, I wish it were better, but it's all we have."

Michigan Sen. Carl Levin, meanwhile, used his time before the committee to attack New Hampshire's "privileged position" as the traditional first-in-the-nation presidential primary -- and the Rules and Bylaws Committee itself for ultimately granting that state a waiver that allowed it to maintain that status, despite a party plan designed to address complaints from other areas of the country.

Levin argued that Michigan had accepted the ruling that it would not be one of the four states allowed to hold its primary in January -- objecting only when New Hampshire, which was not included in that group, was granted a waiver.

The dispute over the seating of Michigan's delegates is a thornier dispute than the dilemma over Florida's delegation. Clinton was the only major candidate who did not remove her name from Michigan's primary ballot after the committee's decision last summer.

Earlier, Florida Democrats conceded in their opening remarks that a party penalty for holding their primary was unavoidable but pleaded with Democratic leaders to seat half their state's delegates at the summer convention.

"We recognize, in fact, that Florida has violated that timing rule," said Florida Democratic National Committee member Jon Ausman, who had challenged the original penalty, and he said a punishment of some kind was "appropriate."

But he said Florida's superdelegates did not need to face a similar reduction under party rules.

Dozens of sign-toting, chanting protesters gathered outside the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel, the site of Saturday's events, to have their say on what the decision should be.

Some of the signs read "Count our Florida votes" and "Rules, what rules?"

The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel met behind closed doors for five hours Friday night, emerging at 1:30 a.m. Saturday without an agreement.

"It was a full discussion," said Harold Ickes, a committee member from the District of Columbia who supports Clinton. "I think there was some agreement on some issues and still some disagreements on others."

With no Michigan or Florida delegates included, Obama leads Clinton by 202 delegates. He needs 42 more to clinch the nomination.

"Right now, what we have to do is to figure our way through all of this, and I believe we will," said Allan Katz, a rules member from Florida who supports Obama. "And I believe we will come up with something [Saturday]. There will probably be a little sort of tussling, but we are Democrats." Follow a timeline of the dispute »

The rules committee will address two main issues at the hearing: how many delegates each state is allowed and how those delegates will be allocated between the two candidates. Video Watch who will really decide the nomination »

"How do you recognize the people who didn't vote, and how do you recognize the people that did vote, and how do we at the same time maintain the integrity of the process?" asked Martha Fuller Clark, a Rules Committee member from New Hampshire and an Obama supporter. "And there are no easy answers."

James Roosevelt Jr., the Rules committee co-chairman from Massachusetts, described the overnight meeting as "spirited, because people on this committee have a strong feeling about the rules and about the importance of them." But he added, "It was not unpleasant or heated."

Roosevelt also predicted a resolution will be reached but said there would be dissenting votes.

"I can't predict that it will be unanimous," he said. "I do think that it will be unifying for the party."

In a letter to the co-chairs of the rules committee, Clinton lawyer Lyn Utrecht said Friday that the panel is compelled to seat both delegations from Florida and Michigan fully and not award Obama any delegates from Michigan.

"It is a bedrock principle of our party that every vote must be counted, and thereby every elected delegate should be seated," Utrecht wrote.

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The letter said party rules do not allow "arbitrary reallocation of uncommitted delegates to a candidate or arbitrary reallocation of delegates from one candidate to another." Read the full letter (pdf)

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told The Associated Press that receiving no pledged delegates from Michigan is not acceptable and said, "I don't think is a position that people find terribly reasonable."


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Thursday, May 29, 2008

Rachael Maddow has A Theory.....


....one which is shared by many of our number of independents, quite unbound, if not totally unhinged by now.

Hillary is going to NOT accept any compromise, period, giving her the right to take her campaign to the convention, probably tearing the Democratic party to pieces. Whether or not that is her intention, it may very will be the result, especially if many of the latest democratic coalition believe that the nomination was stolen from Obama. That will, essentially, be the end of that coalition and with any luck at all, the beginning of a new political system, because we can no longer abide the corrupt one we now have, including the most corrupt of all, the Republican party, and hopefully the Libertarians will take care of them. Go, Bob Barr!

Oh joy, joy, let the whole corrupt, rotten-to-the-core system blow itself to smithereens, Glory Hallelujah, or collapse under the weight of its own stinking, scandalous immorality and its most dangerous corruption in the form of a theocratic fascism, which C.S. Lewis (theologian and scholar) prophesied years ago.

Carpus Diem, Americans of good faith and good sense!

Some of us wondered whether some of us were becoming just a bit paranoid, after all, who could possibly blame us at this point, for saying that Rachael was getting it. After reading the Bloomberg Report, seems to me that the paranoids among us were right again.

HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS!!!!!


Clinton Lobbies Superdelegates Before Party Meeting (Update2)

By Lorraine Woellert and Christopher Stern

May 28 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton stepped up her lobbying of Democratic Party superdelegates today as rival Barack Obama said he is ready to start the general election campaign after the last two primaries are held next week.


Clinton, in a letter and 11-page analysis sent to the party officials and office holders who have a vote at the Democratic convention, argues that neither she nor Obama will have the nomination locked up after the last primaries on June 3 and that the superdelegates should back her because she's the better candidate against Republican John McCain.


``When the primaries are finished, I expect to lead in the popular vote and in delegates earned through primaries,'' the New York senator wrote. ``Ultimately, the point of our primary process is to pick our strongest nominee.''


Obama, speaking to reporters tonight on his campaign plane, said he is focused on snagging the remaining delegates he needs to secure the nomination. ``Once we have that number we will focus on the general election,'' he said.


``I'm sure we will have discussions with Senator Clinton and her team,'' Obama said when asked what he will do if Clinton stays in the race after June 3.


Clinton's appeal to superdelegates and Obama's positioning himself for the general election are the latest fronts in a Democratic nominating battle that shows no signs of letting up even as the primary process winds down.


Decision on Rules


The Clinton campaign distributed the letter as the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the Democratic National Committee prepares for a May 31 meeting to determine whether Florida and Michigan delegates should be allowed to participate at the convention in August.


The two states, both battlegrounds in the November election, were stripped of their delegates as a penalty for holding early primaries. Clinton and the other Democratic presidential candidates agreed last year to the sanctions imposed by the Democratic National Committee.


With Obama, an Illinois senator, leading Clinton in backing from superdelegates and in the number of pledged delegates won through primaries and caucuses, the Clinton campaign is pressing to seat the delegations from Florida and Michigan and give them full votes at the nominating convention.


`A Full Vote'


``We are urging 100 percent of the delegations be seated and each delegate have a full vote,'' Clinton campaign adviser Harold Ickes said. Ickes, a member of the Rules and Bylaws Committee, made the comment on a conference call with reporters.


Clinton won both primaries, though neither candidate campaigned in the two states and Obama withdrew his name from the Michigan ballot. Obama's advisers say they are within 46 of the 2,026 delegates needed to win the nomination under the current rules.


This is, contrary to what the Clinton's would have us believe, not anything like debacle of 2000.


Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said they are willing to compromise on giving the two states representation at the convention, though not without a penalty.


``We are open to a result that gives her delegates,'' Plouffe said. ``We don't think it's fair to seat them fully.''


Obama today questioned what grounds Clinton would have to contest his right to the nomination, should he get the number of delegates needed. He noted that two lawsuits challenging the status of the Florida and Michigan primaries have ``already been thrown out of court.''


Any grounds.... Coffee grounds...burial grounds, it doesn't matter, Barack? No other candidate, let alone a woman, would have ever elbowed their way this much forward, under these same circumstances?


Odds for Clinton


Pennsylvania Governor Edward Rendell, a Clinton supporter, said he doesn't expect the DNC to come up with a resolution that gives Clinton a better chance to win the nomination.


``It's very unlikely that Senator Clinton can prevail. I think that means we're not going to field our strongest candidate,'' Rendell said in an on Bloomberg Television to be aired later today.


Don't be so sure, Governor. You would be surprised how sick people are of professional politicians, who have never dome another damned thing in their lives but money grub, for themselves or their candidate.


Even if the full delegations from the two states were counted, Clinton wouldn't overtake Obama's lead in pledged delegates up to this point, based on a tally by the Associated Press. Clinton is counting on gaining a large majority of Puerto Rico's 55 delegates in the commonwealth's June 1 primary. Obama is favored in South Dakota and Montana, which hold contests June 3 with a total of 31 pledged delegates at stake.


In a 17-page analysis of the Michigan and Florida challenges, DNC staff lawyers maintain that the rules committee had the authority to sanction the states.

Oh God, we are so sick of this!!!!!


Setting the Penalty


One question committee members will consider May 31 is whether they have the authority to seat all Florida and Michigan delegates and fully restore their votes.


I don't have the answer to that one, but if I were the Democrats, I would be wanting to send a very strong signals to the youth and middle class the state of Florida, and believe it or not there are many of them, you had better start thinking of you futures and electing Democrats. Your state elected Jeb Bush twice and now this Charlie Christ guy, who decided to violate the Democratic part rules, set down and signed by every campaign, before the primaries ever started, back when everyone thought that the Clintons would blow everyone out of the water by, at least, Super-duper Tuesday. It was really Christ who messed you guys up, not the Democrats, nor Obama. You are now being used by the Clinton. Every vote should count


The primaries would be over and Hillary would be awaiting her coronation and headed for the White House, as anyone would have McCain is her gun sights by now and, unfortunately, all of her baggage in tow. She says she is fully vetted, but she hasn't seen anything yet, unless she has soled out. Unfortunately though I, myself, and many of my compadres here at I.U. would like nothing more than to see a woman in the White House, but from what we can see, Hillary and her husband have people around them that we don't like very much. As a matter of fact, we see them as far more dangerous enemies to the people, the constitution and the country than Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein could have ever dreamed of being in their wildest imaginations.....That would be our people, constitution and country, I mean. Seems we have to make that very clear these days.


Hillary has been hanging out with people like Rupert Murdoch, Bill has been hanging out with people like Poppy Bush and Henry Mellon-Scaife and was paid 9 million by some company for consulting. Can any one possibly explain to me what anyone one on this earth could say to anyone that would be worth 9 mil? Please tell me, if you know! We are sinking fast here, I'll tell anyone who wants to know for 1 mil. That would be just about enough to pay off everything and get the hell out of this loony bin.


Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, whom, from what I can tell, is basically a Likudnik, and some one else who was big time cocaine dealer or something? What about all the potheads you put in jail, Bill, or at the very least, ruined their lives? What about all of the corporate mergers that began on your watch and the oh so glorious free trade which is another world for corporate empire. Sure, certain rules about corporations (ours or theirs) not treating people in foreign countries like slaves or share croppers are inserted into these agreements, but they are not being enforced and they cannot be enforced and until they can be, which will be never, NO MORE!!!


Hillary is saying one thing and Bill and her campaign manager, the ever so forgettable, Mr. Penn were doing quite the opposite; behind her back? Really? How much else will go on behind her back if we elect her? The other thing is, I don't give a damn how sleep deprived one is, one does not imagine having landed in a plane under sniper fire in a war zone. It simply doesn't happen. So, please, Friends of Hillary, please explain that to me (and don't bullshit me because I am a research psychologist and an applied psychophysioligist and I know what I'm talking about.). Sleep deprivation, of the kind used for torture, could make me say anything I thought my torturers wanted me to say, but self-induced sleep deprivation does not cause anyone to tell self-serving whoppers.


I know if there is one thing which binds we I.U.ers to each other is that we are all tired of pathological liars and we want not just change but stupendous change....back to where we started from? NO.... no, I don't think so.


We want to move forward, using the knowledge we have gained over the centuries. Turning a page, maybe a whole chapter or ending one; 0ne that needs desperately to end, But also beginning a new one. One that may just include our highest hopes for our world and our nation.


Our oracle on the mountain tells us that we do not have much time to decide, if we are coming to a calamitous end or if we are beginning anew.


In their memo, DNC lawyers note that party rules impose an ``automatic sanction'' of a 50 percent reduction in pledged delegates for states that don't follow the rules. The committee could cut the delegations in half pledged delegates and half super-delegates.


``Some people read that rule as limiting the RBC's ability to fashion a sanction that is not explicitly set forth in the rules,'' Ickes said, referring to the Rules and Bylaws Committee. ``You can just as easily read that as permitting the RBC as fashioning any sanction it wants.'' (Any sanction? Like what, for example, other than the most severe sanction I can think of, the non-seating of delegates, which is where we stand now.? How can it possibly get worse than that. Assassination or something? Just wondering....)


``The staff analysis is intentionally neutral; it does not make specific recommendations,'' DNC spokeswoman Karen Finney said in a written statement today. ``The analysis maintains that the RBC did have proper authority and jurisdiction in imposing the 100 percent sanction.''


To contact the reporters on this story: Lorraine Woellert in Washington at lwoellert@bloomberg.net; Christopher Stern in Washington, at Cstern3@bloomberg.net


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Monday, May 26, 2008

Carter Says Hillary Will Drop Out in June As The Superdels Announce

Don't count on it, Jimmy. She will, then, start yapping about that god-awful electoral college, which we wanted to kill after the 2000 debacle.

Carter sees superdelegates prompting Clinton to quit


(Reuters) Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said on Sunday he expects Democratic superdelegates to reveal their choice for presidential nominee soon after the final primary in June and that Hillary Clinton will then have to quit the race...



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Hillary Sitll Trying To Pry Foot From Mouth

Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 26, 2008; Page A04


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton tried again yesterday to explain her reference last week to Robert F. Kennedy's assassination, while her campaign aides accused Sen. Barack Obama's advisers of taking the comment out of context and exploiting it.


In an interview in South Dakota on Friday, Clinton was discussing why she is still seeking her party's presidential nomination when she referred to the assassination of Kennedy -- then, like her, a senator from New York -- on June 5, 1968, as he celebrated his victory in the California primary. She used the June date to illustrate how long the Democratic race has gone on in past cycles, and she apologized after it caused an immediate furor. But yesterday she said the remarks had been misinterpreted.


"Almost immediately, some took my comments entirely out of context and interpreted them to mean something completely different -- and completely unthinkable," Clinton wrote in an article published in the New York Daily News, whose publisher, Mort Zuckerman, is a longtime friend of the Clintons.


"I want to set the record straight: I was making the simple point that given our history, the length of this year's primary contest is nothing unusual," Clinton said. She went on to say that she "was deeply dismayed and disturbed" that her comment about Kennedy's shooting would be construed as anything other than a historical reference.


Her campaign chairman, Terence R. McAuliffe, was more explicit in his criticism. "It's unfortunate -- a hyped-up press over Memorial Day weekend, the Obama campaign inflaming it, tried to take these words out of context," he said on "Fox News Sunday."


On Friday, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, Bill Burton, said Clinton's statement was "unfortunate and has no place in this campaign." On Saturday, Obama told a Puerto Rican radio station that he took Clinton at her word when she said she meant no harm in invoking Kennedy's assassination.


Neither Clinton nor McAuliffe -- nor Obama or his spokesmen -- mentioned the concern about his safety, particularly among African Americans, that the reference to Kennedy touched on. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll taken in March, nearly six in 10 Americans said they were worried that someone might try to harm Obama (Ill.) if he were the nominee -- more than double the percentage who said they were worried about the same for Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican nominee.


Among African Americans, the concern was even greater: More than eight in 10 said they would be worried about Obama's safety, including 55 percent who said they would be "very concerned" (20 percent of whites said they would have that level of fear).


Clinton devoted the rest of her op-ed piece to answering the same question raised in the interview with the Argus Leader in Sioux Falls -- why she is still in the race, "even in the face of calls from pundits and politicians" for her to leave it. She ticked off seven reasons, including her belief that she can still win, that she owes it to older women who have told her they want to see a woman in the White House, and that staying in the race will help unite the Democratic Party.


Campaigning for a second day in Puerto Rico, which will hold its primary next Sunday, Clinton continued her theme that she has defied the pundits by staying in the race.


"If I had listened to those who had been talking the last several months, we would not been having this campaign in Puerto Rico today," she told several hundred people at an evangelical church in Hormigueros.



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